News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by 3pt14159 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:09AM (#35815583)
It's not just children.

Yes, children walking by pornographic content on an open public street is obviously ridiculous. But it bothers people like me too. I used to even work for a short time in the industry writing software, and I have completely changed my view of the entire situation.

The reality is, that Christians put up with a lot already. Most of us are pretty tolerant, despite what you may believe. Or how many times have you said the name of Jesus Christ in vain and had someone rebuke you for it in public? This stuff really bothers us and we bite down and take it. How often do you see "Christians" hatefully use the F word referring to men who have sex with men? I don't see it much, and when I do I forcefully tell them to stop.

Tolerance works both ways. I shouldn't have to see graphic pornographic content when I walk down the street.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by SamoyedFurFluff on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:17AM (#35815718)
> How often do you see "Christians" hatefully use the F word referring to men who have sex with men?

Plenty of times, unfortunately. You might not see it often— are you openly, publicly gay? Do you hold your boyfriend or husbands hand in public? Are you seen going to and leaving a queer bar on the regular? Have you tried to adopt a child with your same-sex significant other, or are seen in public or going to a public school with your adopted child? If you’re not the target of homophobia it makes sense to not experience very much of it.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by cat_plus_plus on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:22AM (#35816849)
You mean how often do Hicks and Rednecks use the F word? Oh wait... Maybe you need to think it through and either model the behavior you want or accept that some people are just not going to like each other? You just used "Christians" in quotes, should they use "Men" and "Women" in quotes when referring to trans individuals?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by SamoyedFurFluff on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:54PM (#35819489)
I’m merely quoting someone else there. Idk what you mean. Im pretty sure neither me nor the person im replying to and quoting from are talking about trans people. What are you going on about?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by yoyohello13 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:26AM (#35815868)
Christianity is the majority religion, in the US (63%) and world (31%).

I'm sorry you hear things in public that offend you, but others in your group are literally telling others they are evil for existing, so maybe you can handle a 'Jesus Christ' here an there.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by gorjusborg on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:21AM (#35815799)
> Tolerance works both ways. I shouldn't have to see graphic pornographic content when I walk down the street

I feel for you, having the world disagree with your values and opinions can be exhausting. Wouldn't it be nice if we could force people to live the way we want, even if they don't agree? It'd be nice to have that sort of authority, wouldn't it?

For example, it really bothers me when I hear hateful religious doctrine spouted in public. I shouldn't have to listen to that when I walk down the street.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by godshatter on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:30AM (#35815933)
> For example, it really bothers me when I hear hateful religious doctrine spouted in public. I shouldn't have to listen to that when I walk down the street.

We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally. Though I would suggest the parent poster avoid walking down the dead-end street clearly marked "pornhub".

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by ben_w on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:53AM (#35816310)
> We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally

"Legally" isn't really the question, as that's about what is rather than what ought to be.

That said, nobody has to listen, that's definitely not part of freedom of speech. They have to be allowed to listen, which is related but different.

And for what ought to be… well, christian religious commandments have included calls to burn people at the stake if they follow a different faith, and such calls have been listened to and acted on. Heck, I'm in at least four distinct groups people have used religious justifications to demonise.

If you think it won't happen to you, I'd add that sacred cows can be literal, so what happens when Hindu fundamentalism reaches your doorstep and some people call for you to be lynched for eating beef (which is a thing that has happened)? And unlike sexuality, you have a degree of control over the food you consume.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34409354

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by themitigating on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:13AM (#35825143)
"We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally. Though I would suggest the parent poster avoid walking down the dead-end street clearly marked "pornhub"."

Why should it be. You are claiming one thing falls under the general "freedom of speech", I assume you mean the 1st admendment, but then you call pornography different but cite the law.

Why is pornography wrong? Why is it worse than hate speech? How does it harm you directly? Hate speech can make people feel unsafe, uncomfortable, and can cause stress but it's allowed.

Imagine you walked down the street and two people were just openly having sex, how does that harm you, how does that harm your family? Maybe I should ask, is that harm worse than hate speech?

Freedom of speech is just one part of the 1st amendment, there's also freedom of expression.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by sokoloff on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:30AM (#35815935)
> I shouldn't have to see graphic pornographic content when I walk down the street.

I can't read the original article (503 - "Service Unavailable" from a capacity issue), but where are you exposed to "graphic pornographic content" walking down a street today?

If that's happening on a public street today, I tend to agree with you, but I struggle to understand where that's happening today.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by cat_plus_plus on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:24AM (#35816876)
San Francisco
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by TheCoelacanth on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:30AM (#35815929)
Christ-based exclamations are a thing precisely because Christians used them so much during the centuries where Christianity dominated western European culture. The people doing it usually are Christians or have been heavily influenced by Christianity. They aren't doing it to piss off Christians.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by tpankaj on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:32AM (#35815963)
You do not have the right to force your personal religious views onto other people though. Tolerance does not mean everyone else has to allow you to dictate how they live their lives.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by Cthulhu_ on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:34AM (#35816008)
Poor Christians, such a persecuted minority in the US, definitely worse off than LGBT, PoC and women. Yeah I'm doing whataboutism, but seriously, check your privilege.

"this stuff really bothers us" Have you tried minding your own business? Christianity is forced on people through money ("in god we trust"), politics, the legal system (christianity-based laws and morality) schools (pledge of allegiance, book bans), etc.

But sure, you shouldn't have to see graphic porn when walking down the street; is this an actual issue? Does people's privacy and online services have to be amended to make this illegal? Because last time I checked, nothing changed about public decency, and it's not a religious issue.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by rideontime on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:28AM (#35815899)
jesus fucking christ, what are you even talking about? what does this have to do with suppression of free speech on the internet?
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by dang on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:39AM (#35825574)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by mxkopy on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:40AM (#35816107)
The reality is, that Hindus put up with a lot already. Most of us are pretty tolerant, despite what you may believe. Or how many times have you eaten a hamburger and had someone rebuke you for it in public? This stuff really bothers us and we bite down and take it. How often do you see "Hindus" hatefully ordering McDonalds when having their lunch meal? I don't see it much, and when I do I forcefully tell them to stop.

Tolerance works both ways. I shouldn't have to see cows getting eaten when I walk down the street.

TLDR don't cry me a river your Protestant work ethic already increased water levels

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by themitigating on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:26AM (#35815873)
"The reality is, that Christians put up with a lot already. "

The persecution complex some Christians have is insane. Your moral values shouldn't be enforced by the government, period.

Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by decremental on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:23AM (#35815826)
I agree with you 100%. The Reddit tier atheists of HN aren't going to like you speaking positively about Christianity because they've been force-fed anti-Christian propaganda from birth. You're not alone.
Re:EARN IT Act Remains a Threat to Liberty, Security, & Safe... by ben_w on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:12AM (#35816644)
I have no idea what a "Reddit tier atheist" is supposed to be.

But I can say I grew up in a country where senior Bishops get a direct opportunity to review legislation, the coins have (Latin initial for) "defender of the faith" embossed on them, there is (or was, I don't keep up) a legal requirement for "broadly christian" themed school assemblies, and the national broadcaster has regular Christian shows on both radio and TV.

And despite all that, 52% of the population identifies as "no religion".

Are you in the country that has "in god we trust" printed on the currency, and in use as an official motto?