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Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by dahauns on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:18AM (#35800932)
>They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft.

Sorry, but Google really isn't a saint regarding degraded experience. The shenanigans around UX for example using Google services in Firefox have a long, well documented tradition. They just aren't as overt and clumsy with it as MS.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by malermeister on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:38AM (#35801111)
I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things.

Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by kivihiinlane on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:41AM (#35801140)
What is the name of this addon?
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by VHRanger on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:41AM (#35801699)
tagging myself in here as well
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by rocketbop on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:06AM (#35801917)
You can favourite HN comments if you just want to come back to them.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by stronglikedan on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:23AM (#35802087)
To clarify, since it's not obvious in the UI, you have to click the timestamp of the comment, and then you can favorite it.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by rocketbop on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:40PM (#35804500)
Thanks, I should have mentioned that. A couple of features are hidden in the show comment view.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by JohnFen on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @06:11PM (#35808500)
Damn, I've been here for years and never knew that you could favorite things!
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by nextaccountic on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:54PM (#35824423)
Or install this extension https://github.com/plibither8/refined-hacker-news to have better UI on HN
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by makiftasova on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:16AM (#35802016)
afaik, pretty much any user-agent changer works. At least that's what one of my colleagues uses to join MS Teams meetings on Firefox. Simply switch your user-agent to Chrome, and it should do the trick.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by mananaysiempre on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:31AM (#35802170)
On Android, it's one of the very few allowed ones, Google Search Fixer[1].

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search...

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by malermeister on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:10AM (#35802606)
This is the one I use, i think: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search...

Afair there's also one for YouTube.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by nextaccountic on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:53PM (#35824418)
"This add-on is not available on your platform." on Desktop Linux.. what makes this windows only?
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by Avamander on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:49AM (#35801196)
I'm not trying to excuse Google, but feature detection is really hard and browsers sometimes suck with their APIs.

I just recently started using a modified version of the "h265ify" add-on that just advertises support of a few extra codecs (HEVC and surprisingly MPEG-2) to websites. With both Edge and Chrome, I do that because I know the formats work but the API doesn't indicate they do.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by dsr_ on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:10AM (#35801368)
There's no excuse for not being able to read the user-agent strings of the top five browsers in the world, especially when 2 of them (at least) are your own code base.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:12PM (#35804141)
Everything is hard if you don't want to do it.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by VHRanger on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:41AM (#35801692)
link?
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by PKop on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:23AM (#35811163)
What are the Chrome version of things specifically? I just wonder what I'm missing out on..
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by xnx on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:27PM (#35823455)
Mobile Firefox gets a very basic result page for "weather" for no clear reason.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by mrpopo on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:34AM (#35801074)
Apple blocking iPhone browsers without Webkit (excluding Chrome and Firefox).

Android not exactly making it easy to change the default browser for average users either tbh

Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1118/

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by dathinab on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:42AM (#35801152)
yes on phones this has tradition to a point it started to got legislation involved

but on desktop legislation shut this down, or at least tried, and it wasn't a problem for years

honestly we need a proper "fair platform" legislation, world wide

and focus more on power abuse and free market damaging power dynamics instead of obsessing over the "mono" in monopoly (because with today markets you can have more power then a classical single market monopoly while not being a monopol or even duopoly in any of the many markets you cover, power you can even more efficiently abuse then a monopoly when adding new market to your portfolio...)

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by refulgentis on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:16AM (#35801425)
XKCD isn’t relevant to the sentence before, as comic notes, it’s about Apple.

the “Android makes you tap something to change your default browser!” was some FUD that either Brave/DDG stopped spreading because it was generating backlash.

Much like the “you have to confirm you enable sideloading!” alert in Android, it’s not clear what people want otherwise, a confirmation isn’t the same thing as making it difficult.

I wish these things would pass simply because it makes it harder to have the real conversations needed to get things back on track

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by marcosdumay on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:01AM (#35802515)
> a confirmation isn’t the same thing as making it difficult

The problem with sideloading on Android is that it won't accept upgrades for your applications. You will have to get them from the installer app. And then it will confirm before downloading each app. And then it will confirm before installing each app. And then it will confirm again because, well, I have no idea.

One confirmation isn't the same as making it difficult. Piles and piles of them is.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by SpaghettiCthulu on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @11:37AM (#35803698)
Not entirely true on the latest version of Android. I'm not sure what the pattern is, but for most of the apps I've installed via Droidify, I don't have to confirm anything when installing updates.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by dehrmann on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:19AM (#35801455)
My theory on this is it has something to do with battery life. I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by grishka on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:41AM (#35801695)
Apple's reasoning is that browser engines need JIT to run JS with acceptable performance, but if they were to give apps JIT capabilities, that would significantly open up the attack surface.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by zrobotics on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:40AM (#35801678)
Apple has an ads unit, there have been multiple other times when they have shown that user privacy is a thing that really only applies to other companies.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by makeitdouble on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:48AM (#35802362)
Don't know if serious or not, but I'll bite.

Apple was in deep troubles when IE was all the rage, you needed IE to access your bank's site, your company's intranet, so many site that were strictly IE only. Microsoft gifting them an implementation of IE was a mild grace, but still wasn't enough. Not having a browser compatible with 99% of the web was an issue pushing people away from Macs.

They learned their lesson, and used their advantage in the mobile market to make sure no other browser ever puts them in a similar position.

Google has a slightly different issue, in that for instance a strongly privacy focus/ad blocking browser taking the android world by storm is nothing good for them.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by dehrmann on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:34AM (#35813407)
Firefox and Chrome accounted for a third of browser marker share when the iPhone came out. It came out with no App Store, and there was no guarantee MS would develop IE for iOS.
Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by GeekyBear on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:48PM (#35809429)
> I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.

Apple doesn't trust third party developers when it comes to running code that Apple has not vetted in advance.

Re:MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge a... by 908B64B197 on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:48AM (#35803068)
For a while downloading a lot of freeware would result in installing Chrome and setting it up as the default browser on Windows.

Visiting any Google property would result in nagging to download chrome. Firefox and (classic) Edge would just break for no reasons on Google pages (changing the user-agent fixed the issue).