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Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by webkike on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:05AM (#35773798)
I have seen on my feed a picture of Hitler with a sympathetic quote from an account called "Racial Consciousness" with a blue check mark. I could not even imagine seeing that before Elon took over. So for me, yes, there are definitely white supremacists increasingly dominating my feed.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:09AM (#35773873)
Are you sure that wasn't satire? Poe's law and all that?
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by Kye on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:13AM (#35773949)
Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:17AM (#35773993)
I agree, but (1) not all satire is good satire and (2) not everyone is adept at picking up on good satire and (3) even those who are adept at picking up good satire might miss something once in a while.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by flangola7 on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:28AM (#35774184)
"It was just a joke" is a common distraction technique used by neonazis and other social conservatives. When seen it is safe to presume bad faith until proven otherwise.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Monday May 01, 2023 @02:39PM (#35777205)
It’s also used far more frequently by ordinary people who tell jokes.

“You know who else drank water? Hitler!”

Am I joking, or am I pointing out the silliness of taking something as mundane as “humor” and portraying it as something uniquely fascist?

Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by flangola7 on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:45PM (#35778125)
I don't know any "ordinary" people that go around telling racist nazi-type "jokes."

This isn't some kind of nuanced topic, the facts of the matter are evident, there's just nazis and nazi-enablers playing interference and trying to fabricate uncertainty many of which are in this very thread.

As we learned long ago there are very effective tools that defeat social conservatives such as nazis, entertaining their ideas is not one of those tools.

Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Monday May 01, 2023 @05:35PM (#35779512)
I think you're confusing "jokes about Nazis" for "Nazi-type jokes". A Nazi isn't very likely to joke about the semblances between fascism and some far-left identity ideology for the same reasons far-left identitarians don't make those jokes. And my "You know who else drank water? Hitler!" example is a common example of a satirical joke about Nazis, so clearly ordinary people do tell jokes about Nazis (to varying degrees of subtlety).
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by arolihas on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:51AM (#35774579)
Can you explain what this would be satirizing?
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Monday May 01, 2023 @01:14PM (#35775925)
It would be satirizing "race consciousness" by highlighting parallels between it and traditional right-wing racism as embodied by Hitler in this case. I'm not necessarily endorsing that interpretation, but it is a common point made by critics of left-wing identity politics.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by arolihas on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:02PM (#35779817)
So Nazis were conscious of race because they wanted to commit genocide. Left wingers are conscious of race because they want to eradicate social inequities. Yeah, personally I wouldn't waste my time trying to downplay this sort of discourse as a joke.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by throwaway894345 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @04:56PM (#35794084)
I'm not "trying to downplay"; this really only makes sense as satire (actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness" because they see themselves as opposed to leftists as leftists see themselves as opposed to Nazis). It seems like it is almost certainly quipping about the ironic similarities between two ideologies that purport to be polar opposites (fixation with race, tendency toward mass violence in the extremes, etc). I'm sure that a leftist and a right-winger see the Holocaust and Holodomor as completely different (the Holomor was merely Stalin's persuit of "eradicating social inequities"!), but to a moderate these feel a lot more similar to each other than either of them feel similar to any reasonably desirable moral or political order. So in my mind, this only really works as moderate satire.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:00PM (#35794138)
> actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness"

The most definitively actual of actual Nazis borrowed leftist phrases like “Socialism” right into the name of the party from which “Nazi” is abbreviated, as well as a lot of other leftist language (while radically recontextualizing the meaning.)

Borrowing language from existing left, right, center, religious, and secular groups, and then rearranging and defining them to create the appearance that the natural endpoint of whatever your existing ideology is is Nazism is what actual Nazis do.

Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by arolihas on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:38PM (#35797606)
Yeah I don't understand what the original commenter is thinking if he's going to insist that this is actually some sort of centrist joke. I really don't want to assume the worst here.
Re:“Twitter is going great” is being sunset by arolihas on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:37PM (#35797598)
This isn't moderate in my mind. Only a Nazi or a complete fool would try to equivocate genocidal ideologies with current leftist rhetoric.