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Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by ilyt on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:28AM (#35655211)
UAVs also have higher current requirement, and that means more weight "wasted" for chonkier electrodes Car batteries aren't pulling 50C worth of current
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by frosted-flakes on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:33AM (#35655291)
Don't car batteries also have very high current requirements? Turning over an engine takes an enormous amount of power.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by mwint on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:42AM (#35655461)
GP is probably talking about EV main batteries, not the lead-acid 12v accessory/starter batteries.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by falcolas on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:42AM (#35655479)
Most batteries that run starters are not energy dense, they're typically standard lead acid batteries.

FWIW, to provide the 225 amps (for a V8 starter motor) a Tesla car battery would only need a discharge capability of 3C (1C being around 80 amps), which is within its rated capabilities. This is also for batteries which provide higher voltages, so I'm vastly overestimating the C rate required.

C is the unit for charge/discharge rates, and is based off the capacity of the battery.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by gambiting on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:36PM (#35656291)
Sure but it's not about starter motors - these batteries power 400kW motors, that's a lot of power.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by rootusrootus on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:55PM (#35656609)
That's why how much power an EV has is closely related to the size of the battery. 400kW from a 75kWh battery is a little over 5C.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by gertlex on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:48PM (#35662540)
Honest question, though: does "Turning over an engine" (as an earlier commenter typed) have actual meaning for an EV?
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by MobiusHorizons on Saturday April 22, 2023 @12:08AM (#35663257)
No, it is referring to what the starter motor in an ICE vehicle does. It was most likely a misunderstanding, but it is more similar in that it pulls very high loads like a drone battery does.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by saltcured on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:21PM (#35658708)
Traditional ICE starter batteries are optimized for this cold-cranking power rating, but they only have to deliver this for a matter of seconds before being recharged. They are not designed to deliver this continuously nor to ever be operated at low states of charge.

Conversely, a BEV traction battery has to support a wider range of loads at any charge state between its minimum and maximum charge levels, in order to have decent driving range. Like a starter motor, the BEV is not going to sustain high power output for very long, since a car only takes seconds to accelerate to legal road speeds. After that, it requires continuous output at lower power levels to maintain a cruising speed.

Even with lead-acid batteries, there are regular starter batteries and then there are deep-cycle batteries which have far less cold cranking amps but more durability when depleted to low charge states before being recharged.

The low density of lead-acid batteries is what makes them unsuitable for mobile applications. They might have 30-50 Wh/kg while various lithium ions might be 100-300 Wh/kg. And now this announcement is talking about 500 Wh/kg so 10x the best lead-acid batteries...

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by walrus01 on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:28PM (#35662417)
This person seems to be getting downvoted but they aren't totally wrong, electric car batteries are massively paralleled so that the amperage draw per cell is kept to a reasonable figure. They are confused about cranking amps to turn over an ICE vs. batteries used in all-electric cars.

The 18650 Panasonic cells used in an older Tesla model S for instance are rated at only 10A draw per cell as their nominal 1S voltage (4.20V when full).

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by ilyt on Saturday April 22, 2023 @08:46PM (#35672280)
Starter current is ~150-200A at 12V.

At say 30C you'd only need 7Ah lithium batery