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Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by upofadown on Thursday April 20, 2023 @08:15PM (#35648274)
Toyota can't import trucks with such a small footprint. That would screw up their fuel efficiency metric. That could lead to fines from the US government. That is the primary issue here that prevents the sale of small trucks in the US.

With the current regulations, it makes the most sense to sell trucks with the longest wheelbase and largest width.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by derefr on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:43PM (#35648888)
I wouldn't mind driving a car composed of a narrow kei-car chassis resting atop a wide but low-riding platform. It'd be like a bumper car!
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by worthless-trash on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:15PM (#35649433)
Can you explain this a little more (I dont live in the US and a preliminary search is failing me).

It sounds as though the 'regulations' are preventing US consumers from having a choice in trucks, which.. kinda makes no sense from what I've seen in the wide range of oversized trucks in the US.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by ChoGGi on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:20PM (#35649469)
Larger vehicles have less stringent emissions regulations.

Or something along those lines.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by worthless-trash on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:40PM (#35649598)
I would have assumed larger vehicles had more stringent emission regulations, TIL!
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by zzzbra on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:03AM (#35649715)
sadly this is the consequence of green emissions standards legislation passed in 2009. thanks Obama
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by TingPing on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:16AM (#35649763)
The law is from the 70s, but reaffirmed and expanded https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_econo...
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by HWR_14 on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:19AM (#35650692)
Bigger vehicles are "trucks" and smaller vehicles are "cars". They have different standards. So while a small Japanese truck may have more efficient than a larger truck, it is legally a very inefficient car.

This is also why SUVs exist, they are legally trucks for fuel efficiency/etc.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by m000 on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:58AM (#35650950)
These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us [1] explains in detail how "trucks" overtook "cars" as the most popular vehicle in the US, and legislation that lead to that.

(Quotes because the words refer to the legal definition of trucks/cars.)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by mcv on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:57AM (#35651299)
Is this why American cars keep getting so ridiculously large? Because bad rules make them count as efficient even if they are woefully inefficient?
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by xboxnolifes on Friday April 21, 2023 @06:36AM (#35651894)
Yes. The US has decent cars, but terrible SUVs/trucks, because the SUVs and trucks have more lenient emissions regulations.
Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by daemin on Friday April 21, 2023 @06:43AM (#35651935)
I read an article recently about the growth in sales of such "trucks" in Australia. In there people were complaining that the existing parking spaces aren't big enough for these vehicles, so there should be a review into parking regulations to make spots bigger to accommodate them.

In my mind I would like to see the opposite happen, and instead have a review into these "trucks" to see if they are actually what we want for the road.

There's been diagrams produced that through the ages these vehicles have been getting bigger but with less actual cargo space in them. While some in the country might want them I don't believe for a moment they are as necessary nor as useful for the cities and suburbs where parking space sizes would matter.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by worthless-trash on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:01AM (#35687132)
I have seen some of them prevent people from fueling their vehicles at local service stations. The current sizes are not compatible with size expectations.

I want to say there was a Ford which had a fuel port on the rear of the vehicle which had to position the car further forward than usual, blocking the traffic exit while filing up the vehicle.

Re:Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks by upofadown on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:19PM (#35656029)
Putting the truck vs cars issue aside, there is still an incentive to make large wide trucks. The fuel efficiency allowance is based on the vehicle's "footprint" which is the distance between the wheels side to side times the distance between the wheels front to back. This metric comes out to some number of square feet. The fuel efficiency allowance is proportional to the number of square feet. Larger trucks are allowed to consume more fuel without penalty.

Now it turns out that making a truck, say, longer by 10% does not increase the fuel consumption by 10%. If you are a manufacturer, you want to maximize the ratio of the allowance based on the square footage divided by the actual measured fuel consumption of the vehicle. The sweet spot comes out on the large side. So the fuel efficiency regulation, ironically, is causing a trend that leads to more total fuel consumption.