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Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by manojlds on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:27AM (#35569350)
> as otherwise the largest island would be the Americas, or perhaps mainland Asia + Africa + Europe.

Isn't that the point though? North America is not an island. Asia is not an island. If NA and SA were one, they would be an island, but they are not.

If the point is Australia is a continent and hence not an island fine. But it's not because Americas will then become island because Americas is not a continent.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by anamexis on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:33AM (#35569397)
There is no singular definition of continent. In some uses, the Americas are a singular continent.

(One odd example is the five Olympic rings, which represent the "five inhabited continents": Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia, and the Americas.)

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by manojlds on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:39AM (#35569460)
Precisely the point that these are arbitrary definitions. Making a point that making Australia a island would make Americas also island is silly.

And the ring represents Oceania and not Australia, and this makes Australia an island in Oceania.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by CRConrad on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:35AM (#35624958)
Contrary to the point made somewhere here about how "Oceania is an outmoded espression", it is actually the newer concept: The word "Australia" has meant something about that part of the world for longer than has "Oceania". (At a guess, the Olympic rings symbol was designed and acquired the description of what it stands for before "Oceania" came into widespread use.)

The whole probelm here is that the English word "continent" actually means two different but closely related things, namely the older cultural-geographical concept "part of the world" (cf Ger. "Erdteil", lit. "part of the Earth") on the one hand, and the more narrowly geological idea of continental shelves &c. "Hello, so which part of the world are you from?" is a much older question than the idea of tectonic plates, so Europe and Asia being different things has been thoroughly cemented into the public conciousness although geologically, they're one and the same. Contrariwise, the Americas both got the same name even though they're (apparently, AFAIK) actually two different things. So, it would help immensely to keep these two different categorisations separate. "Erdteil" is often called "region" in English, but that word is also already overloaded with quite enough meanings, so this usage probably doesn't exactly bring any increased clarity on the whole.

Unfortunately, contemporary colloquial English uses the word "continent" for both concepts, so confusion like yours is only all too common. To come back to your specific points:

* The ring represents Oceania and not Australia

In modern politically correct parlance it represents a part of the world ("Erdteil"), not a single geological entity. Saying it represents only the actual continent of Australia would leave New Zealanders and Micronesians without any representation at all, so that would be rather un-PC. My guess is that back when the rings symbol was adopted, PC details like this just weren't on the agenda, so they simply said "Australia".

* and this makes Australia an island in Oceania.

No it doesn't. It makes Australia a geological-continent in the region-of-the-world Oceania; or, if you will: It makes Australia a continent-1 in continent-2 Oceania. (See how using the same word for different things kinda sucks?)

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by isaacremuant on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:02AM (#35570310)
It's not "The Americas".

It's America. It's a continent. It was named after Amerigo Vespucci.

The fact that English speakers, led by the citizens of the United States of America, in practice claim the name America for themselves and want to push the point of North and South (never quite agreeing what north is depending on the political point being made), doesn't mean that there's objective validity to it. Just a egocentric convenience and the superpower influence.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by jgwil2 on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:37PM (#35573110)
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Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by isaacremuant on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:12PM (#35576394)
OP was categorical and wrong.

I'm specific and right, but in the wrong place (HN is Reddit nowadays, preach to the choir or downvotes).

It's not preferred. It's historically accurate and I'm not the one with the burden of proof. He asserted the wrong thing, but that didn't make you question him.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by jgwil2 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:27PM (#35582074)
Hmm, I'd say the burden of proof is on you since you're the one arguing that one common usage among many is "right" and all others are wrong.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by isaacremuant on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:42AM (#35588840)
Then you're being purposely blind and not reading the comment that started it all

https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=35569350

This is so funny (and trivial). It really shows how people in this site and in most of these Reddit like forums operate nowadays.

Hegemonic views can't be challenged and are the default and logic will not be used.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by Dylan16807 on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:48PM (#35573234)
> Just a egocentric convenience and the superpower influence.

This is completely wrong, unless your argument is something like there being only two continents. Which is fine but pretty far from how continents are normally defined and you should probably use a different word.

By far the most egregious continent border is Europe vs. Asia, and Africa is connected to those two just as much as the Americas are connected.

> never quite agreeing what north is depending on the political point being made

You get the same political fussiness around every continent border. But the geographic boundary is pretty well decided to be Panama.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by Dylan16807 on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:19PM (#35577354)
To the flagged reply: There are multiple ways to count the continents, but the particular reason you mocked for listing two americas was just wrong. I'm not trying to force you to do it my way, but I want you to use basic logic.

And I don't know what your point is about central america. Nobody calls central america a continent.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by jgwil2 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @04:11PM (#35584104)
Just to add to that, the poster's point is literally contradicted right in the cited article (Spanish wikipedia article on continent):

> En realidad no existe una única forma de fijar el número de continentes y depende de cada área cultural determinar si dos grandes masas de tierra unidas forman uno o dos continentes, y en concreto, decidir los límites entre Europa y Asia (Eurasia) por una parte y América del Norte y América del Sur (América) por otra.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by isaacremuant on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:39AM (#35588823)
Yes. That's done to appease the anglos because Historically, it doesn't work like that and, fun fact, nobody but me jumped at OP who said, for all intents and purposes, "the Anglo way is the only way" but when I come with the non Anglo centric view, that's when the users jump and come quickly to correct people.

It's just a great exercise of how these sites work. And that goes for more consequential stuff than this.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by fsckboy on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:20PM (#35572865)
North and South America are isthmi
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by munk-a on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:32PM (#35574345)
Eurasia is just a big penisula off of the Sinai.

These technical definitions are pretty awful when we get down to it.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by CRConrad on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:37AM (#35624980)
And Africa is another, slightly smaller; Sinai has two peninsulas off of it.