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Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by jacquesm on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:51PM (#35543810)
It's irrelevant, the label implies control like with the Russians and the Chinese, and that control simply isn't there.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by woooooo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:07PM (#35544088)
1. "True but we think it's irrelevant" does not equate to "false".

2. "But america are the good guys" is the exact kind of thing you see uniformly from all American media including NPR.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by HDThoreaun on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:39PM (#35544630)
NPR being state affiliated is false. NPR being funded by the state is not, but it leads people to believe that it's affiliated with the state, which is false.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by Georgelemental on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:22PM (#35545304)
Funding is a very important kind of affiliation, I would think.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by jacquesm on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:42AM (#35552665)
It could be but it doesn't have to be. That's why editorial independence is a thing. And that's why you'll see broadcasters in Russia, North Korea, Iran and China try their level best not to criticize the ruling party and ruling individuals of the countries that they have their base in because if they did the consequences would likely be much further reaching than those related to funding.

The fact that this needs to be spelled out is a bit sad. One of the first things an editorial board of an actual news service does is to assert its independence, if it can't do that then they will resign in a very public way that leaves no doubt about what is going on.

For instance, the large number of people that resigned from Twitter when Musk took over (and that was besides the ones that he fired because he couldn't get them to do his bidding) made exactly such a statement.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by lostlogin on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:18PM (#35544289)
You really believe that NPR and the BBC belong in the same basket as Russian and Chinese state media?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by woooooo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:23PM (#35544395)
Fish don't know they're in water.

If you've been ingesting a narrative since middle school, and the BBC reinforces it, well that's just good neutral unbiased reporting.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by lostlogin on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:41PM (#35544664)
I don’t regularly read the BBC or NPR. I have watched the BBC skirmish with government over their independence and it’s an active fight (see Gary Lineker fighter recently, interesting, on Twitter).

Do you see these fights for independence in Chinese and Russian news channels? And do you really think them similar to the BBC and NPR?

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by woooooo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:43PM (#35544698)
You will never, ever see a mainstream western news org demonize the US the way they do to Russia and China routinely.

Are they the exact same? No, but they're not so different when you zoom out. You don't need explicit censorship when you can manufacture consent at the hiring and promotion stages.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by lostlogin on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:49PM (#35544795)
Do you think the US, China and Russia similar?

I have a lot of criticism for the US, but the US can at least punish its rulers at the ballot box. The US isn’t chucking journalists out the window or vanishing them on a regular basis. Objectively, it’s hard say the three are similar, as two of those countries deserve more criticism. They are not the same when you zoom out.

I am not an American.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by woooooo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:55PM (#35544873)
I could criticize or compliment all 3 depending on the topic or my mood.

If we're so much better in the west, maybe we can hold ourselves accountable and question our own biases.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by lostlogin on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:34PM (#35545494)
If we are so much worse, why isn’t accountability and criticism a thing in a Russia and China?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by roflyear on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:36PM (#35544594)
It's always telling when people with narratives to push don't directly answer questions.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by alfor on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:59PM (#35544936)
Exactly, I have been trying to explain it to people here (Québec/Canada) Here people believe the CBC is an impartial view of reality, it’s through that filter they see all the events of the world.

Information that contradict their narrative become disinformation or conspiration. Or you get labeled racist/transphobe/Trump supporter at the first doubt

Give me little hope for our country at the moment.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by d23 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:16PM (#35545194)
It's not that it's impartial or unbiased. It's that it's not an editorial arm for the state. The United States doesn't even have a centralized, consistent state-run party that would exercise consistent pressure on NPR to publish certain stories or frame them in a certain way. It's an absurd comparison to link these to Chinese or Russian state-affiliated media.
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Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by d23 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#35546581)
The burden on is on you to provide evidence for your claims, not for me to go fishing for them.

Regardless, I doubt whatever you have in mind is anything similar to an authoritarian regime that literally murders critical journalists and poisons opposition politicians. It is an absurd comparison.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by mardifoufs on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:46PM (#35548097)
It doesn't have to be on the level of russia or china to be bad. What a weird arbitrary goalpost.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by alfor on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:37PM (#35549252)
Russia and China didn’t start that way, it’s a process.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by davorak on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:45PM (#35545680)
State funded media is a phrase, it has meaning beyond the literal meaning of the words. Wikipedia's 'State media' page seems to have it covered:

> State media or government media are media outlets that are under financial and/or editorial control of the state or government, directly or indirectly. [1]

Even that page makes a distinction between state funded and state media[2], but that is not how youtube[3] or others [4], [5], and I am sure many others[6 time based google] do not make the distinction. For better or worse 'State funded media' is often interchangeable with 'state media' and NPR is not state media even if some of its funds come from the state.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_media#:~:text=State%20me.... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_media#:~:text=Not%20to%2.... [3] https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/state-media-wa... [4]https://www.prindleinstitute.org/2019/03/whats-wrong-with-st... [5] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/194016122092283... [6] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22State+funded+media%22&rlz...

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by pclmulqdq on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:22PM (#35544373)
What do you think about Al Jazeera's funding and level of control?
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by jacquesm on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:26PM (#35544426)
Trustworthy when it is about non-local affairs, hopelessly biased when it is about local affairs. But Al Jazeera doesn't really pretend to be unbiased. Sometimes I'm positively surprised by the quality of their reporting. But them being Qatar based the amount of local news that would affect me is nil. They definitely offer an interesting perspective on the world as seen from the Arabic perspective, meanwhile I'm well aware of the fact that their English language news isn't always a 1:1 with their coverage of the same subject in languages that I can not read unaided.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by ghiculescu on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:25PM (#35545346)
Replace "Al Jazeera" with "NPR" in your comment and you're also spot on.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by mardifoufs on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:51PM (#35548145)
Sorry, but aljazeera is on the level of RT. That you think otherwise just shows that you are more willing to ignore a biais when it is in your favor.

It has always been known in the arabic world that AJ is a complete puppet of the Qatari royal family (and even staffed by members of the royal family) and it can't be a coincidence that AJ's coverage is almost always a mirror image of qatari foreign policy talking points/positions. It is the equivalent of Saudi Arabia's Al Arabiya, just with more international presence.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by jacquesm on Thursday April 13, 2023 @02:18AM (#35551738)
Reading comprehension failure on your part, or we're in violent agreement which you somehow chose to voice as disagreement.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by pclmulqdq on Thursday April 13, 2023 @09:56AM (#35555522)
The point is that Al Jazeera exhibits a lot of bias on international issues that are relevant to the Qataris, not just local news. This includes US foreign policy, environmental things, and global economic policy. They are basically RT (think about how RT covered george floyd), but generally allied with the west.
Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by flavius29663 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:04PM (#35545017)
not OP, but I watch Al Jazeera a lot, they're more fair than NPR, they at least invite the "other party" to the talkshow, no matter how ridiculous they sound (e.g. russian people supporting the war). NPR hasn't done that in years, they do a literal strawman: they quote what a republican said (or they replay a short part from a speech) and then the all democratic leaning attendees talk about the subject. It's laughable. I wouldn't just blindly trust Al Jazeera either, I would double check whatever they say, but at least I can learn about the world from a different perspective: they cover a lot from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe, which are places that Western Media usually ignores (unless it's something really big).

NPR is very high quality when it comes to art, science and other shows, but fails spectacularly when it's a political subject.

NPR has the opportunity to be a world class media group, like BBC and Al Jazeera, but they chose to waddle in mud together with the democratic party, estranging half of the US population - which could have been an easy win for them.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by cauch on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:13PM (#35547037)
What you are saying is that NPR is left-wing, not "controlled by the government".

"controlled by the government" means: left-wing when the government is left-wing, right-wing when the government is right-wing. Was NPR right-wing when Trump was president?

If not, it is the proof that the label "government funded" is really really bad: it does not identify outlets that are biased by their funding, it just find an excuse to label as biased while not labeling as biased others than are as biased.

It does not mean NPR is not biased, but if you want to add a label to warn of a potential bias, you need to do it properly, and label ALL outlets that are similarly biased and identify properly the reason they are.

Funnily, NPR could also drop the 4% of revenue from government funding and continue to publish the same stories with exactly the same bias, and people who are arguing that NPR is biased should therefore argue then that NPR is not biased anymore.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by flavius29663 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:33PM (#35549206)
I wasn't arguing that it's controlled by the government. It's somewhat controlled by the democratic party, which is 50% of the time in charge of the government.

I was mainly expanding on the fact that NPR chose to not represent 50% of the US population, and also miss having a chance of being a world class service, like the BBC or Al Jazeera.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by cauch on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @06:58PM (#35621660)
I 100% agree that NPR is biased by left-wing ideology.

I don't really agree about "controlled by", that's like asking someone "who have you voted for" and after they said X, then saying "so you don't have any free will, you are just controlled by X". It's ridiculous: it's not because someone agrees with some party that the party controls them.

But being biased is not in itself a problem: every media is biased, only stupid people believe in neutrality. For example, giving 50-50 time to present each side's opinion is not unbiased: in a parallel universe where one side is, by chance, way bigger than the other (which is very easy to obtain as political trends are strongly based on charisma of few people), then, the 50-50 strategy leads to totally different coverage of the situation. The 50-50 strategy is not being neutral, it's being a sell-out that want to please everyone. Another example is these situations where the journalist gives equal share to a person that says "it's currently raining" and a person that says "it's currently sunny" (and, please, avoid "it can be raining and sunny at the same time", obviously, my example corresponds to a situation where it is not the case).

At the end of the day, it's not a problem: you have left-wing media, you have right-wing media, as long as they are not lying and that you don't have a society too stupid to live in an echo chamber, then, citizen are given all the information they need to make their own opinion. And if they are living in their echo chamber, the problem is not the existence of biased media, but a society problem.

But in this discussion, the problem is that the label is not "this company is ideologically biased", but "this company is controlled by the government". You cannot blame me for talking about the subject in question. The question of NPR being left-wing is irrelevant, but pushing this in the discussion is in fact even a problem: like if intellectually dishonest labeling are ok because NPR is left-wing.

Re:NPR quits Twitter after being falsely labeled as 'state-a... by adastra22 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:13AM (#35552463)
NPR political coverage is not controlled by the democrats in the same way that an SPAC is not controlled by the politician it supports.