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Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by pornel on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @02:27PM (#35529174)
Losing only 24 million sounds like a bargain. Imagine spending 40 billion to pay 1 billion more in interest each year.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by yifanl on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @03:24PM (#35530098)
I mean consider also: Imagine being in a position where you can spend 40 billion and it doesn't wipe you out.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nicenewtemp84 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:40PM (#35531238)
Imagine spending only 30% of your net worth and getting to experiment with buying and growing one of the most used and talked about sites on the internet.

If I spent 30% of my net worth I could buy a condo in the bay, possibly. Although odds are it would be worth close to that if I needed to sell it.

But many people spend 30% of their net worth trying to start businesses with almost no traction. Musk spent 30% to buy something known internationally.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by CamelCaseName on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @04:47PM (#35531326)
Musk does not have a 100% stake in Twitter.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nr2x on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @05:17PM (#35531700)
I mean I could buy a very expensive Mercedes and drive it straight into the Bay at high speed.

That doesn’t make it a good idea.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nicenewtemp84 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @05:44PM (#35532016)
Definitely doesn't make it a good idea. But it's still interesting that he's playing with one of the most talked about sites on the internet without really affecting his finances at all. Of all the random things to do with your money, it's not even that bad of an experiment.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nr2x on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:00PM (#35532183)
He’s just a rich kid pulling the legs off an ant.

I actually find it perverse.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nicenewtemp84 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:55PM (#35532811)
He's not a kid using his parents money. He's using his own and his personal name/reputation to secure money. He's not hurting an ant. He fired people and let them go find other jobs which seems pretty fair instead of for example reducing their pay drastically and forcing them to quit, or paying them minimum wage and profit sharing. Which still would have been pretty fair IMO. Not every ceo or company owners needs to be operating a charity like the previous Twitter CEO was.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by yangikan on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:40PM (#35534743)
It can be done without being an asshole (for example without insulting a handicapped person) https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/elon-musk-gets-involved-...
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by mlindner on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:42AM (#35535842)
Note: he did not insult a handicapped person. At no point did he attack his disability. That was a cruel twisting of facts by the media.

Further he was misled by someone feeding him incorrect information and promptly apologized for the confusion. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633253950198624257

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by cactusplant7374 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:21AM (#35536523)
He found out Twitter would need to pay him 100M. That is a big incentive to backpedal.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by mlindner on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:49AM (#35537191)
There's no evidence to support that statement.

Given he continues to talk with the man at times (he replied to one of his tweets the a few days ago) and there's no evidence to support the idea that he did it for monetary reasons, other explanations are much more reasonable. Namely that it was a simple mistake.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nr2x on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:10AM (#35541059)
Honest question: why do you see it as your job to defend Elon Musk online? I see a lot of people doing it and I find it strange. Why do you care?
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nicenewtemp84 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @12:55PM (#35542775)
Some of us like sticking up for people of similar temperament to us. I'd stick up for the average person that gutted a company he bought and kept it running just like I would Musk.

I like Musk because he doesn't appear to be a woke tool. Is he a tool of a different kind? Probably. But I don't like woke, so I stick up for the non-woke. Is he perfect? No. None of us are.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by skinnymuch on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:51AM (#35577968)
What does woke mean? Elon seems like he’s always talking about woke stuff. Like trans people and pronouns. He might be denouncing those topics but he still seems to cover them a lot.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by skissane on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:59AM (#35588931)
> What does woke mean?

Here [0] is an interview with the African-American Marxist Adolph L Reed Jr (professor emeritus of political science at the University of Pennsylvania). He starts out saying he can't define "woke" because it is too diffuse, but if you read on he effectively does define it – despite his initial insistence that he can't – in these terms: faced with a society of immense inequality in wealth and power, in which the 1% lord it over the 99%, the traditional left (to which Reed as an old-school Marxist belongs) is primarily concerned with reducing that disparity, and less over the makeup of that 1% in terms of race/gender/sexuality/gender identity; by contrast, the new "woke" left is more concerned about making sure that the 1% is 50% female, and contains racial/ethnic/sexual/gender minorities in the same proportion to which they exist in the 99%, than about the disparity between the 1% and the 99% in itself.

As the on-and-off richest man in the world, Musk is as 1% as it gets, so I'm not sure he'd like professor Reed's definition – but I do. And I think it is a good response to that tired talking point that "nobody can define woke"

[0] https://tarahenley.substack.com/p/what-is-woke

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by v0idzer0 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:36PM (#35549239)
Why do you care? You’re here engaging all the same. If anything, he’s speaking the truth (no he did not mock anyone’s disability) and those attacking Musk are lying. Yet you question the person being factual. So why do you care?
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by mlindner on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:17PM (#35550488)
A couple of reasons:

1. I care pretty strongly about the truth. When I see people actively spreading incorrect information whether through malice or their own misunderstanding I think it’s important to correct it to prevent the deception of others, especially when it’s happened on such a wide scale. He himself doesn’t seem to understand that it’s important to correct this type of thing early so there’s no other option.

2. I care because a lot of the future depends on the success of Elon’s companies and people use tearing down Elon as an excuse to attack his companies. They’re doing amazing things for the future while being constantly attacked for it.

So it’s a double-whammy of self interest and my own internal mental obsessions.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by cactusplant7374 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @10:27AM (#35555994)
He was certainly fine making accusations in public about this person. When he found out he was given misinformation why didn't he name the person and fire them? Why did he air it out in public in the first place? The whole saga is criminally ignorant and Musk is to blame.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by mlindner on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:49PM (#35562556)
When people make mistakes under him, he never names them and instead takes ownership of their mistakes. Naming and firing them would be in fact a bad sign and a sign of a bad leader.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by cactusplant7374 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @07:38PM (#35585757)
The public accusations against this person’s character? Are any other CEOs lambasting former employees online?
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nacs on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @05:34PM (#35531900)
The condo you buy with 30% of your net is going to be worth 30% or more later. That's a good investment.

Musk spent 30% of his net worth on it then immediatly burned 90% of the already questionable value it had.

What Musk did was just bad business.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by wfme on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:14PM (#35533856)
> then immediatly burned 90% of the already questionable value it had

citation needed

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by dzhiurgis on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:57PM (#35549415)
BBC has some good sources
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by wfme on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:49PM (#35549813)
Hmmm seems that the most recent number is ~20bn [0][1], at least 5x the >90% number quoted by the parent.

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65084254

[1]: https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1639737042828673024

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by onion2k on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:30AM (#35535759)
Imagine spending only 30% of your net worth and getting to experiment with buying and growing one of the most used and talked about sites on the internet.

That sounds like one of the least interesting things I could do with $44bn.

With that sort of money I could fund 1000 Twitter rivals, and after a couple of years combine the successful and interesting ones into a single rival that would actually do something better than Twitter.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by nicenewtemp84 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:36AM (#35541525)
I think most of us would do that, but I don't think musk has the desire or time to start a VC studio.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by jodrellblank on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:35PM (#35543524)
> "That sounds like one of the least interesting things I could do with $44bn."

You could fund The Manhattan Project ($21Bn).

And the Panama Canal ($13Bn).

And the Concorde project ($2.5Bn).

And the Hoover Dam ($0.8Bn).

And an Eiffel Tower, a Statue of Liberty, and a statue of Christ the Redeemer. ($100s of M)

Buy yourself a B52 Stealth Bomber (~$2Bn).

And a Hindenburg ($100M), and a Titanic ($400M).

And still have a couple of billion left over.

Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by v0idzer0 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:33PM (#35549211)
Except you couldn’t really do most of that without government support and approval
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by jodrellblank on Thursday April 13, 2023 @09:47AM (#35555402)
Rather missing the point that any of those are more interesting than "a thousand Twitter clones". But even on that point, Musk managed to do a lot with SpaceX and Tesla supercharger network which need various government support and approvals.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by BulgarianIdiot on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:24AM (#35535716)
It’s wiping him out in slow motion.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by m3kw9 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @08:37PM (#35533649)
Not when he had 200 billion to begin with
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by v0idzer0 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:37PM (#35549251)
Every time Tesla stock goes over $200 (which is regularly) he becomes the wealthiest man in the world again. I think he’s doing just fine
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by ymolodtsov on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:09AM (#35536400)
They haven't lost it. They paid advanced to writers but they will gather their share in a few years.
Re:Now live for all: Substack Notes by HillRat on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:35AM (#35541510)
The economics on those deals look worse over time -- they're spending over $3 in guaranteed payments per $1 collected on those partner subscriptions, which meant partner subs went from being mildly profitable (gross) in 2020 to a $10mm cash sink in 2021. The good news is that overall the subsidized writers should be making enough for Substack to shut down the incentive payments (~$40mm in subscription revenue to writers vs $16mm in subsidies in 2021), so there's a good chance they can stop the bleeding. Still overvalued by at least 25x, though, and their OPEX is concerning; even if you ignore the $16mm in partner payments, they're still $6mm underwater on $10mm in revenue.