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Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by JumpCrisscross on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:05PM (#35496508)
> low end is hardly coming back

At a certain point of automation, America’s energy-cost and proximity advantages outweigh its cost of labor and regulation. This tradeoff as a whole occurs against margin, which is why we’re seeing middle manufacturing reshoring.

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by ikiris on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:47PM (#35496918)
You're way overestimating the proximity advantage.

Shipping things via train or boat is stupidly stupidly cheap, even across the planet both ways.

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by JumpCrisscross on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:57PM (#35496983)
> Shipping things via train or boat is stupidly stupidly cheap, even across the planet both ways

Totally agree on shipping. There are other benefits to proximity, from lower geopolitical and supply-chain risk to tighter integration with design and the customer (due to enhanced information flow and lower latency).

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by tsunamifury on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:05PM (#35497061)
Not just that but you are deeply underestimating the cost of automation compared to manufacturing margins, which in the middle market I really doubt is changing.

Unfortunately, human hands are still much cheaper than machines.

I see a fair bit of manufacturing in Chicago, and I don’t see any of these equations changing in the way that this article purports them to

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by pg938hkd on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:14PM (#35497147)
Yeah but it adds a month of flow when you need to make clothes to the latest trends that’s way too long. Also you want to try samples and inspect the process so you need people on site all that adds friction.
Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by potatolicious on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:04PM (#35497052)
You're not accounting for the cost of automation itself. The "problem" with automation is that it's actually terrifically expensive - industrial robots run into the high-six-figures and upwards.

There's a reason why low-end manufacturing is not heavily automated no matter where it occurs - automation would likely be more expensive than using humans.

Also importantly automation tends to be expensive to reconfigure - for stable product lines where the same general processes are in use for years at a time, and product variability is low (see: cars) automation is highly successful. But for product lines that are more fly-by-night (see: most fast fashion) the reconfiguration cost of automation makes it even less practical.

Retraining a group of humans is vastly cheaper and easier than reconfiguring a fully integrated automated assembly line.

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by JumpCrisscross on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:27PM (#35497284)
> "problem" with automation is that it's actually terrifically expensive - industrial robots run into the high-six-figures and upwards

Totally agree. Just pointing out how the trade-off is rebalancing the margin at which reshoring makes sense down, and that this is a trend one can expect to continue as industrial robots get better and cheaper.

Re:America Is Back in the Factory Business by elcritch on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:52PM (#35498437)
Industrial robots are getting much cheaper. The controllers and electronics to drive them are now fairly commodity as is the low level control software. You could easily get Fanuc style arm robots in the sub-100k nowadays.

The real limitation is still programming and training the robots. I'm just entering this field, and its fun but yah it takes a team of expensive talented engineers to do it. Especially if you're automating to a higher degree. The progress with AI has been huge but I'd guess on the order of a decade before its commonplace.