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Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:08AM (#35439025)
It isn't negative feedback. It is an organized process established in the UK for handling layoffs. The UK workers didn't just say "don't fire us." They offered a ton of different options that, based on actual data, would have produced the same savings as the proposed layoffs. These included things like voluntary layoffs. All of these proposals were rejected.

It sucks to have a corporation say "okay we'll have a discussion and come to a solution that achieves our goals while also maximizing your goals" and then turn around and say "nah, we are just going to do it our way with no changes."

In the US there are little protections so the company just gets to say "you are all fired" but the policies are supposed to be different in some other countries. Since the end result was that Google just picks however they want it feels like crap that the UK folks had to wait 2.5 months to figure out who was going to be fired with no influence at all in the process.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by gruez on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:27AM (#35439218)
>The UK workers didn't just say "don't fire us." They offered a ton of different options that, based on actual data, would have produced the same savings as the proposed layoffs. These included things like voluntary layoffs. All of these proposals were rejected.

What were the specific list of proposals? The only one you mentioned (voluntary layoffs) is a bad idea because it leads the most talented people to leave.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by danpalmer on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:42AM (#35439448)
> What were the specific list of proposals? The only one you mentioned (voluntary layoffs) is a bad idea because it leads the most talented people to leave.

Roughly, voluntary redundancies, pay cuts, unpaid sabbaticals, job trades, and various other implementation details.

They also presented a range of options for those at risk of, for example, deportation, including those at risk of deportation to face legal consequences at home or conscription. None of these suggestions were accepted.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by nonethewiser on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:49AM (#35441556)
Well all of those encourage the best people to leave. Why would Google want to keep everyone at the expense of their top talent?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by danpalmer on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @05:31AM (#35451505)
Voluntary redundancy does not mean that anyone can choose to be laid off, but rather that anyone can apply. The company could reject applications from critical people.

Sabbaticals tend to increase retention, as those with long tenure can take a break without quitting.

And anyway, the company doesn't necessarily only want to cut the "bottom talent", they may want to cut expensive talent.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:38AM (#35439379)
It may be a worse idea for the company (though I'm not sure - the US layoffs weren't based on performance). But, as far as I can tell, the response has not been "these suggestions are unacceptable for reasons X, Y, and Z, please propose additional suggestions" but instead has been "nah, we are just gonna do what we want."

I am blending the Zurich case with the UK case in my mind, though. There's a lot to keep track of here.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:47AM (#35439524)
>I am blending the Zurich case

DO you have any information on the Zurich case? I'm not aware of any layoffs there.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:56AM (#35440658)
Zurich layoffs were like a month ago.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by VikingCoder on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:30AM (#35439264)
You know what else leads to the most talented people to leave?

When the company stops listening to the employees.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by charlieyu1 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:43AM (#35439460)
Keeping deadweights leads to most talented people leaving.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by VikingCoder on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:57AM (#35439708)
Yeah, there should be a process where people are evaluated by their peers to measure their performance and impact. The input from people who have demonstrated high impact should weigh more heavily.

Oh wait, Google already has that. If that's not working well, that's its own problem. These layoffs were somewhat indiscriminate, with high-performing people getting fired.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:56AM (#35440673)
The layoffs have not really been for performance. They aren't dropping deadweights.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by theGnuMe on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:33AM (#35439304)
>the most talented people to leave.

They might leave anyway...?

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by ghaff on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:48AM (#35439539)
>The only one you mentioned (voluntary layoffs) is a bad idea because it leads the most talented people to leave

Not necessarily.

Also people who have been sticking around out of inertia and doing the bare minimum. People ready to retire a bit early. Etc. Basically, it's reasonable to think that most people who would volunteer--especially at a very top-tier pay job--might well not be there in a year or so anyway. (There is I guess an argument that the people who are going to leave anyway will leave with or without a package so why pay for the package?)

While you might not want to choose people purely based on volunteers, it's not clear that taking at least some volunteers doesn't benefit both the company and workers.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by nonethewiser on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:53AM (#35441613)
It makes Google a less competitive employer. It’s better than being laid off, for those that would have been laid off. But worse for the top 94% of people that Google wanted to keep. Why optimize for the bottem 6%?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by ghaff on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:13PM (#35441949)
Why would you assume that people on the edge of leaving Google in exchange for a package are going to stay there anyway--and, especially, put any real effort into it.

I'd be willing to bet that whatever 94% Google ended up deciding to keep would not be the "best" working on the most important/strategic projects and unlikely to leave Google anyway in the next 6-12 months.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by absrd on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:49AM (#35439561)
If they're both the most talented and also don't want to work for you, what makes you think they'd stay?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by ExoticPearTree on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:51AM (#35439602)
And what happens when the company wants to fire a different bunch of people that don't voluntarily want to leave?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by nonethewiser on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:45AM (#35441503)
> It isn't negative feedback. It is an organized process established in the UK for handling layoffs.

The “it”s you are referencing here are different things. There is a formal process. And employees did give negative feedback.

I was never suggesting the formal process is negative feedback. In fact that seems non-sensical which makes me wonder how you thought that I thought that made sense. It seems like a lazy dismissal, quite frankly. In what way could someone think an overarching policy is negative feedback on a particular event?