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Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by mcv on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:16AM (#35436202)
It's not the US convincing Ukraine, it's Ukraine convincing the US. I don't know if you've noticed, but Zelensky is constantly asking, begging, every country to support Ukraine.

You're trying to spin this as something the US wants, but it's not. It's something Putin wanted. Zelensky and the people of Ukraine are (obviously) far more determined to defend their country than anyone else. And many European countries are mostly supporting Ukraine because their own citizens are demanding that they do so.

There's tons of popular support for Ukraine, because most people recognise the terrible injustice of the Russian invasion and the atrocities committed by Russia.

How things will look after the war is impossible to predict, but US support has helped western Europe quite a lot after WW2. And even the defeated enemies of that war, Germany and Japan, are doing extremely well because of the way they've been rebuilt after the war. In the long run, the best outcome for Russia would probably be to be utterly defeated and rebuilt the same way. But of course that can never happen because Russia has nukes.

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:45AM (#35436380)
you didnt answer my question. what is the end game for ukraine if putin decides to nuke it? you cant rebuild a nuclear wasteland. chernobil will look like an untouched nature reserve in comparison. people need to honest with ukranians in what to expect from this. this is what makes the whole situation tragic
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by hdjjhhvvhga on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:53AM (#35440600)
> what is the end game for ukraine if putin decides to nuke it?

Yes, this is what Putin's propagandists are repeating all the time, threatening to use nukes not just on Ukraine but also on Great Britain and other countries. Apart from the obvious absurdity of contaminating their own land, the big question is, should we agree to all Putins says just because he can use nukes? Is there any limit on what we will do to please him?

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:55AM (#35441656)
ukraine does not have a nuclear deterrent. should we appeal to putin's morality, or give ukraine realistic expectations?
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by hdjjhhvvhga on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:28PM (#35444753)
We should give nukes back to Ukraine.
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @04:19AM (#35450983)
you want people that came from the ranks of right sector and azov batallion to have nukes? no tnx