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Re:The Mullvad Browser by RealStickman_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:01AM (#35422777)
Problems with services are to be expected when using Mullvad. Their IPs are all recognised as originating from datacenters. You might be lucky, but often not.

Sketchier VPN providers use "home ips" and rotate them regularly in order to defeat Netflix or other services blocking them.

Re:The Mullvad Browser by seanw444 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#35425209)
Why are the sketchy VPN providers capable of that, but not Mullvad?
Re:The Mullvad Browser by tempest_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:36AM (#35425565)
Sketchier providers often use dubious methods to acquire their exit nodes.

Often they pay someone to include their code in a "free" software or browser extension (or malware) that allows them to route traffic through the host.

Oxylabs is one of the larger examples whose record is somewhat dubious.

Re:The Mullvad Browser by dirheist on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:12PM (#35426353)
IIRC the mylobot botnet is responsible for providing the vast majority of residential (home) IP addresses for residential VPN providers (who are then sold to expressvpn/nordvpn). The whole business is incredibly shady and nefarious and nordvpn/expressvpn must know from whom they contract their residential vpn services from.

BHProxies is the largest residential proxy provider on the internet and almost all of their proxies are acquired through the botnet above.

https://www.bitsight.com/blog/mylobot-investigating-proxy-bo...

Re:The Mullvad Browser by myself248 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:34PM (#35426819)
Whaaaaaaaaaat.

This needs to be on the front page of.... something.

Re:The Mullvad Browser by seanw444 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:48PM (#35427105)
Seconded. I refer to them as shady because I have no way of knowing what they do with your data. I didn't even consider that they'd have a whole botnet market going on too. This definitely needs to be more public.
Re:The Mullvad Browser by jamesfinlayson on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:59PM (#35433605)
Agreed - I assumed they had some way of getting IP addresses that don't come from an AWS/Azure/Google/whatever datacentre block but I just assumed they bought residential blocks from ISPs or something like that.
Re:The Mullvad Browser by wyclif on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:51AM (#35436428)
I totally agree. Somebody knowledgeable about how this works needs to write an expose about it.
Re:The Mullvad Browser by tempest_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:20PM (#35426522)
Cool, I did not know about this one.
Re:The Mullvad Browser by Spinnaker_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:31PM (#35429958)
Is there a source for expressvpn actually using BHProxies? I had no clue it was that sketchy. It is owned by a public company, so that's pretty substantial news if true.
Re:The Mullvad Browser by Stagnant on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:05PM (#35431954)
I would be very skeptical of the claim, quite worrying to see multiple people accepting that as a fact without any kind of evidence to support the claim.

I'd be shocked if any of the major VPN providers were involved with illegal residential proxies. It just doesn't make sense, can you imagine just how unstable and slow those connections would be? Why would they risk being legally liable when there exists legal residential proxy providers that get their IP's from people that voluntarily share their connection (honeygain etc.)? I've never heard of any of the big VPN providers offering residential connections. As I understand the VPN providers that promise support for netflix and similar streaming services just acquire newer IP's from time to time but the connection still goes through a regular datacenter, definitely not from some random dude's home.

The proxy market is more so targeted towards developers who scrape data and criminals that do credential stuffing/other criminal activity.

Re:The Mullvad Browser by Dah00n on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:52AM (#35437649)
I'm not saying I trust the above claim (I have no idea) but this

>can you imagine just how unstable and slow those connections would be

Yes, yes I can and they are. I tried them some time ago before I found out how shady they are and encrypted connections were like 2 Mbit while Mullvad gave me many many times faster bandwidth with higher encryption. Their support was completely useless.

Re:The Mullvad Browser by shzhdbi09gv8ioi on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:51AM (#35436425)
They make use of residential IP:s without their consent/knowledge.

See https://github.com/d2phap/ImageGlass/issues/1252 for an example on how this might happen (spider.com).