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Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by weego on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:24AM (#35421116)
I watched a snippet of him on Les Fridmans podcast. Now, granted Fridman has kind of outed himself as a complete hack more recently.

Watching those two wring their hands over whether GPT is 'conscious' cemented my opinion that this is all just choreographed pantomime and a white tech-upper class quasi cult.

Anything inflating his ideas into personal space is just a land-grab now.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by ZeroGravitas on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:33AM (#35421195)
I only watched snippets of that, but I thought Altman was saying reasonable things. I'd expected worse based on the general AI wackiness and the vague knowledge that he had some eyeball/crypto thing going on too.

Maybe I need to watch the full thing.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by cinntaile on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:54AM (#35421414)
I listened to the whole podcast, I thought it was pretty sensible and interesting. But that's just my opinion as a random internet commenter.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by lfkdev on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:30AM (#35421173)
Also out of the loop, my current opinion is that Fridman himself and his interviews are always really great and interesting.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by meindnoch on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:42AM (#35421291)
To put it succintly, he's the Joe Rogan of IQ 100-115 people.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by tipsytoad on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:12AM (#35421576)
Ignoring the arrogance that, the network effects of his podcast is incredible. I don't know of another podcast that gets the kind of guest list lex does. But you're right, his questions are often quite (pseudo-intellectual?) he's got a thing for "are we living in a simulation"
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by Eisenstein on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:43AM (#35421842)
> he's got a thing for "are we living in a simulation"

The 'simulation' argument is actually very persuasive if you look into it. Quoted below from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis:

[Begin quote.]

Bostrom's trilemma argues that one of three unlikely-seeming propositions is almost certainly true:

1. "The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage (that is, one capable of running high-fidelity ancestor simulations) is very close to zero", or

2. "The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running simulations of their evolutionary history, or variations thereof, is very close to zero", or

3. "The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one."

The trilemma points out that a technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power; if even a tiny percentage of them were to run "ancestor simulations" (that is, "high-fidelity" simulations of ancestral life that would be indistinguishable from reality to the simulated ancestor), the total number of simulated ancestors, or "Sims", in the universe (or multiverse, if it exists) would greatly exceed the total number of actual ancestors.

Bostrom goes on to use a type of anthropic reasoning to claim that, if the third proposition is the one of those three that is true, and almost all people live in simulations, then humans are almost certainly living in a simulation.

[End quote.]

* Note I don't care at all about Friedman and have listened to exactly one of his podcasts (Carmack).

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by tipsytoad on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:10AM (#35422138)
I think I misrepresented the point there a little. It's not the fundamental question per se but something he asks every one of his guests, and comes off alil 3am teenage philosopher.

I don't mean to bash him too much though, I think it's hard interviewing experts in areas they have spent their whole lives in and not to feel less informed in comparison.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by theropost on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:44AM (#35421315)
Any one you can suggest for the 116-130 people?
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by sambapa on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:40AM (#35421831)
Joe Rogan
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by keiferski on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:55AM (#35421420)
It's not a tech podcast, but I enjoy Hermitix. They are mostly interviews with authors of philosophy/literary studies books. Probably the only "podcaster" that I will listen to on a regular basis.

https://www.youtube.com/@hermitixpodcast

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by malborodog on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:32AM (#35421742)
+1 for hermitix -- funny to see it come up on HN!
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by ZeroGravitas on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:41AM (#35423404)
The extensive archive of BBC's "In Our Tine" covers a lot of interesting ground.

Not sure exactly how that maps to IQ ranges, but worth checking out anyway.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by username_my1 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:46AM (#35421328)
not really, Joe Rogan pre pandamic was still the best interviewer in my openion of smart people.

the problem with smart people is that they know that they're smart and so they won't stop talking or driving the conversation.

Joe Rogan, pre pandamic / spotify deal was humble enough and would just invite people and let them talk, it was way more informative and less echo champery style of conversation ... I can't stand listening to this guy.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by ShamelessC on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:32AM (#35421185)
Find an episode on a topic you’re a subject matter expert in - you’ll quickly realize how overconfident and misinformed he is more generally.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by tough on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:34AM (#35421208)
I find his style suffocating, he mostly likes to talk about himself, and hear himself say bullshit, and same with the interviewed person, some times even cutting 'em off
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by Conasg on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:35AM (#35421211)
Agreed, although normally the focus is on the interviewee, and they will quickly correct him.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by ShamelessC on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:46AM (#35421329)
Uh yeah I mean I know what you’re talking about - he does defer to the interviewee (and they are often wrong as well, like in the Elon interview).

Moreso I’m referring to the LessWrong/Reddit/HN/Twitter internet-lore format which he borrows from and leans into. Many of his questions are deep on the surface but ultimately more about sensationalism (even if that means a bad faith read of the problem).

Also, at times I suspect interviewees pre-negotiate certain things for him to see in a positive manner. Like in this last episode, thanking Sam for open sourcing GPT eval - ignoring that GPT-4’s basic architecture description wasn’t even released; a big “fuck you” to researchers hoping to do any sort of replication or peer review.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by secondcoming on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:54AM (#35421412)
You can't expect an interviewer to be expert in every topic they cover.

Isn't the whole point of an interview to let the interviewee get their point across and clear up any misinformation?

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by gambiting on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:58AM (#35421448)
I watched his interview with John Carmack and I couldn't stand him. Carmack was super knowledgeable and professional, Friedman looked almost bored and not really interested - also wasn't able to follow up on some of the things Carmack was saying. Just struck me as not the best interviewer for that interview - I'm impressed Carmack decided to sit through the whole thing.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by Eisenstein on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:45AM (#35421864)
Carmack is just really good at talking about things he knows about/cares about, it doesn't matter what the venue is.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by gamjQZnHT53AMa on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:26AM (#35421148)
"granted Fridman has kind of outed himself as a complete hack more recently"

What do you mean? I'm out of the loop, not arguing with you.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by thorncorona on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:38AM (#35421248)
- misrepresents his affiliation with mit

- blocks anybody who looks into his past

- styles himself as an expert version of jre while being a terrible interviewer

- is often misinformed about the subjects of his podcasts.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by mtlynch on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:50AM (#35421367)
Can you substantiate any of these claims?

The latter two are opinion. The first two are factual but hard for anyone else to validate.

I tried looking into "misrepresents his affiliation with MIT" and I couldn't figure out what he's misrepresenting. He claims to be a researcher at MIT. The MIT Deep Learning page[0] is all videos from his YouTube channel, including Fridman lecturing at MIT.[1]

What's the misrepresentation?

[0] https://deeplearning.mit.edu/

[1] https://youtu.be/O5xeyoRL95U

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by csomar on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:38AM (#35421798)
> Can you substantiate any of these claims?

Just listen to his podcasts. I was podcast hunting the last couple months and came across a recommendation to his podcast. I have no idea about him as a person, his background or his critics; so I was in an unbiased state.

I listened to a few podcasts to realize the dude is toast. He does mumble a lot of "sophisticated" words to sound smart but after 4 or 5 episodes there is nothing of substance that you get from him or his guests. I wondered why he was recommended in the first place but then remember lots of the podcasts in America are JRE style.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by Fnoord on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:58AM (#35424741)
I kept thinking what Java had to do with all this, but thanks to this comment it finally connected that it refers to Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm not very familiar with his podcast but there was some American podcaster who ended up being a covid denial fanatic. Might've been him.

The thing I dislike about Lex is that he doesn't really critically interview. If you interview someone, you put your credentials at stake to interview them, and it must be critical IMO. Instead, Lex is more of a marketeer, giving the interviewee room to spout their message via his platform.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by thorncorona on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:02AM (#35421489)
I’m not going to rehash countless internet arguments but you may take this Reddit thread and look into it yourself for the first two:

https://old.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/comments/zaeztd/_/...

If you see his Youtube profile picture it’s pretty obvious he wants to present himself as a lecturer or professor staff, which he is not.

For the latter 2 I’m sure the other comments on this thread are helpful.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by mtlynch on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:15AM (#35421600)
Thanks for sharing the link!

I personally didn't find the claims in that reddit thread persuasive, but I understand how others might interpret them differently.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by CommitSyn on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:19AM (#35423037)
There are countless examples of people being blocked by Lex for harmless tweets and extremely minor criticism. I only skimmed it but here's the Twitter search for 'lex Fridman blocked' https://twitter.com/search?q=lex%20Fridman%20blocked&src=typ...
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by mtlynch on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:58AM (#35424725)
I can believe that, but I also have to take those claims with a grain of salt.

Aside from Taleb, I don't recognize any of the people who claim Fridman blocked them, so for all I know, they tweeted obnoxious stuff at him and then complained about being blocked. Taleb is extremely abrasive, so I can't fault anyone for blocking him.

If it was like Yann LeCun and Andrej Karpathy complaining that Lex blocked them, then I'd question how aggressively Fridman blocks people, but if it's random Twitter accounts that seem to just shitpost all day, why do they have a right to communicate with Fridman?

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by CommitSyn on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:01PM (#35433183)
Sure, without making an entire Medium article for you, which I don't have the time to do, I can't prove they weren't all shitposters, although there are some notable names, but that would be a lot of them.

I'll also direct you to the moderator list of the /r/lexfridman sub. No real people, none of them ever comment, and his subreddit is one of the most [deleted] I have ever experienced. If you look at reveddit, also check the comments. Quite telling. https://www.reveddit.com/v/lexfridman/?localSort=num_comment...

If your response is "maybe he just likes a heavily curated subreddit" then all I can say is keep coming back.

For being so open minded, he sure does have an incredibly tight grip on information control. This is coming from someone that used to think Lex was the cream of the crop.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by sebzim4500 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:53AM (#35421396)
>- misrepresents his affiliation with mit

I've listened to a lot of his podcasts, I do not recall him mentioning MIT once.

>- blocks anybody who looks into his past

What? You mean in youtube comments? Aren't they supposed to be talking about the video not about whatever his past is? (I have no idea about his past, I just know he did something related to self driving cars at some point)

>- styles himself as an expert version of jre while being a terrible interviewer

He often describes himself as a terrible interviewer (which I disagree with), so I'm not sure how he's "styling himself" as anything

>- is often misinformed about the subjects of his podcasts.

He's an audience stand in who asks questions to the subject matter expert that he has on his podcast. If he already knew everything it would break the format.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by BossHogg on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:08AM (#35424950)
> I've listened to a lot of his podcasts, I do not recall him mentioning MIT once.

He actually used to host his pod at MIT before he moved to Texas to be closer to his true loves, Joe and Elon. Haven't watched him in years since he moved away from tech and more into (mostly right wing) political guests but even then you could count on one hand the interviews he didn't mention Rogan or Musk.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by sebzim4500 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:16PM (#35426435)
By my count, only 1 of his last 20 guests was known for politics.

I feel like there must be some other reason you don't like him, because none of your reasons are consistent with reality.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by zarzavat on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:56AM (#35421435)
More proof that the most pathological customers are those getting something for free.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by thorncorona on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:06AM (#35421526)
Right, because I would be consuming content of someone who I do not enjoy listening to.
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by 10xDev on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:07AM (#35421531)
Presents himself as a “MIT guy” while he did his bachelors and masters at a no name university his dad works at. Always talks about programming, then when asked to elaborate about his experience with GPT and programming, starts to talk about memes. Blocks even prominent people who criticise his research, yet talks about how open minded he is. Only references the most mainstream material. The list goes on…
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by frankfrankfrank on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:53AM (#35421399)
Altman? Fridmann? White tech?
Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by farmaway on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:10AM (#35421562)
>a white tech-upper class quasi cult.

>Sam Altman and Lex Fridman

This thing with white Gentiles and Jews reminds of tennis pros from Scotland. They're described in the English press as Scottish when they lose and British when they win. Likewise, if a member of the tribe does something bad in America it's on whiteness and white supremacy, but if they do something great we suddenly remember that they're Jewish. A conspicuous pattern, and not one that I think is good for relations in the long run.

Re:Sam Altman wants to convince billions to scan eyes to pro... by rvz on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:06AM (#35422090)
> Watching those two wring their hands over whether GPT is 'conscious' cemented my opinion that this is all just choreographed pantomime and a white tech-upper class quasi cult.

Lets just say that both of them are AI bros, and are hype men for OpenAI and Worldcoin and will do anything to push their new AI grift (Worldcoin) into the public via plain scaremongering nonsense such as GPT being 'conscious'.