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Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by Taniwha on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:32PM (#35417009)
It's actually not all that different from the Burroughs large systems architectures (B5000/B6700/A-series) which were initially released in the late 60s ... stack machines, similar descriptor based memory structures, tagged memory etc etc

Burroughs instruction streams are on byte boundaries, and had variable length instructions starting with 1 byte, including long ones for making useful literals

Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by pjmlp on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:59AM (#35419551)
And still being sold by Unisys to this day.
Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by dfox on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:02AM (#35421490)
AFAIK what is sold today by Unisys are essentially preconfigured emulators running on what is otherwise normal Xeon servers.
Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by pjmlp on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:16AM (#35422226)
Naturally Unisys ClearPath MCP isn't running the same hardware as Burrough Large Systems from 1961.

They don't need emulators, as Burroughs was one of the first bytecode based OSes, but I am not sure how it looks in detail.

Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by skissane on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:57PM (#35434421)
> They don't need emulators, as Burroughs was one of the first bytecode based OSes, but I am not sure how it looks in detail.

Do you have a source for that claim? I don't think that's true.

Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by pjmlp on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:35AM (#35436767)
That Burroughs was one of the first bytecode based OSes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Large_Systems

And thanks for making having another look into it, as it clearly points out there are emulators and native implementations (MCP CMOS),

"These machines were the Libra 100 through the Libra 500, With the Libra 590 being announced in 2005. Later Libras, including the 590, also incorporate Intel Xeon processors and can run the Burroughs large systems architecture in emulation as well as on the MCP CMOS processors. It is unclear if Unisys will continue development of new MCP CMOS ASICs. "

Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by skissane on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:52AM (#35437252)
> That Burroughs was one of the first bytecode based OSes?

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Large_Systems

I don't know how you get that from that article, because I can't see the word "bytecode" anywhere in it. What text in that article do you think supports your contention?

> And thanks for making having another look into it, as it clearly points out there are emulators and native implementations (MCP CMOS),

The same article contains this sentence: "Unisys stopped producing the hardware in the early 2010s, and the operating system is now run under emulation"

So there was proprietary hardware, up to about 10 years ago, but nowadays it is all standard x86-64 servers running their software emulator

Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by kjs3 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:51PM (#35471084)
We run Clearpath at $DAYJOB. I haven't cracked open one of them to look myself, but the folks running them have told me they're pretty much bog standard, high-end x86-64 servers running a Unisys VM. No proprietary hardware.
Re:iAPX432: Gordon Moore, Risk and Intel’s Super-CISC Failure by fsckboy on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:13AM (#35565751)
> I don't know how you get that from that article, because I can't see the word "bytecode" anywhere in it. What text in that article do you think supports your contention?

not sure if you're hung up on the word "byte", but it says the architecture is a stack machine and that's what p-code/bytecode interpreters emulate, so whether it's byte codes or word codes, it's essentially the same thing