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Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by capableweb on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:01PM (#35416786)
The sentiment has been (up until this point?) that Starlink needs to lower costs for the customers, not increase them, as otherwise the customer base will remain as tiny as it currently is. Last I remember, the cost was ~500 USD + the monthly fee, I wonder how many in a rural environment are ready to pony that up for a measly connection. Maybe not difficult for live-on-a-farm-software-developers, but what about the rest of the spare population?
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by rippercushions on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:06PM (#35416820)
If Starship works out (and that's admittedly a big if), the price of launching Starlink satellites will plummet and they'll be able to boost the number of satellites in orbit from ~4k to 30k, which will improve bandwidth and cut costs.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-goes-all-in-on-starship-configu...

Also, if you think a $500 one-time fee is bad, try asking Comcast how much they'll charge for pulling 20 miles of fiber to your farm.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by jlkuester7 on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:51PM (#35417163)
> Also, if you think a $500 one-time fee is bad, try asking Comcast how much they'll charge for pulling 20 miles of fiber to your farm.

Made me laugh out loud! :)

Closest wired internet to my place is 6mi South. Also have a big hill between me and the only fixed LOS internet tower in the area. Currently, Starlink is my only real option, and it has worked fine for me so far!

In my experience, an ISP with no real competition is always going to be pricy. The only way to get reasonable rates is to have some competition....

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by codazoda on Sunday April 02, 2023 @09:34PM (#35417489)
Funny story… Century Link got 500 feet of fiber pulled to my house, and I didn’t pay a dime.

When they subdivided my neighborhood it was supposed to have fiber. All my neighbors had it, but not me. There’s supposed to be a major connection every other house, and mine should have it, but it doesn’t.

The person at Century Link that came out to my place and found the problem pulled the original plans for the subdivision, figured out who screwed up, contacted that company, and got fiber to my place. They had to go 500 feet, under a street and two driveways. Now I have fiber.

Thanks dude at Century Link.

p.s. Comcast (Xfinity) came out and looked too. They noped the hell out right away.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by youngtaff on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:51AM (#35420450)
> they'll be able to boost the number of satellites in orbit from ~4k to 30k,

And potentially screwup the upper atmosphere by polluting it with vaporised aluminium as the satellites re-enter

And definitely pollute the night sky too

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by gamblor956 on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:25PM (#35428913)
If Starship works out (and that's admittedly a big if), the price of launching Starlink satellites will plummet and they'll be able to boost the number of satellites in orbit from ~4k to 30k, which will improve bandwidth and cut costs.

If I had a dollar for every time Elon Musk said something that didn't pan out or wasn't true, I would be richer than Elon Musk.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by bdcravens on Sunday April 02, 2023 @11:02PM (#35418050)
Paying additional fees to setup infrastructure is something many in rural areas are familiar with. Rural doesn't always mean poor.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by m4jor on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:32AM (#35418585)
> Last I remember, the cost was ~500 USD + the monthly fee, I wonder how many in a rural environment are ready to pony that up for a measly connection. Maybe not difficult for live-on-a-farm-software-developers, but what about the rest of the spare population?

If you think $500 setup cost + the ~$90 monthly fee is bad, I got news for you.

The same people using Starlink out in the middle of nowhere now were paying way more than that before switching. Like ~$250/m for subpar speeds and had very small data limit caps + data usage overage costs with crap ISPs.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by StrangeATractor on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:11AM (#35419159)
Can't speak for $250/mo, but I've definitely lived in places where ISP's weren't required to expand in, meaning a big chunk of residents had zero internet options. This wasn't too far out of SEATAC, actually.

Not a fan of Musk, but the calculus becomes pretty simple at that point for someone who wants a home internet connection.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by noncoml on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:38AM (#35419383)
> ~$90 monthly fee is bad

~$120 in California

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by lazide on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:37AM (#35419845)
Comcast is over $120/mo in California.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by jameshilliard on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:56AM (#35420020)
> Comcast is over $120/mo in California.

Starlink does not really compete with Comcast in areas Comcast already serves(at least when it comes to speed/price/reliability), it just doesn't make sense to use Starlink when Comcast is available other than maybe as a secondary backup connection. Starlink is significantly faster and cheaper however than other providers like Viasat which serve areas without economical terrestrial based internet options.

Comcast installation costs would be roughly $250,000 to my property and is the only hardline broadband provider in my area.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by lazide on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:49AM (#35425822)
Good points.

What I was responding to was the assertion that starlink is ‘too expensive’ at $120/mo, when the normal offering from everyone else is about the same price.

As you note, depending on the area, one will provide better actual service or not. But the pricing isn’t the deciding factor IMO, just service quality.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by noncoml on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:22PM (#35427730)
> $250,000

That’s insane!

Do they give you an option to draw your own lines? Any chance you can apply for some subsidy?

I really don’t know why in 2023 fiber internet is not treated the same as water or electricity..

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by lazide on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:26PM (#35428924)
It’s the ‘go away’ price quote. If someone was desperate enough they were willing to pay it, they’d figure out how to do it (probably), but really don’t want to.

I got a similar quote from PG&E to run power to a remote lot once, with the caveat that ‘maybe’ they could do it.

Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by chrisco255 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:06AM (#35418771)
"rural" just means sparsely populated compared with dense urban cores. These people aren't impoverished, some of them are wealthy, most of them are middle class with property and acreage. Rural consumers are used to paying equipment costs, for example, they were among the first to adopt satellite TV, back when the dishes were enormous and you needed enough land to even mount one. And those cost thousands of dollars in the 80s and 90s.
Re:Starlink internet is going from rural savior to unreliabl... by DebtDeflation on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:00AM (#35421477)
When I was kid in the 1980s, I wanted a big C-band satellite dish so bad. Never could convince my parents to get one though.