Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by Scarblac on Sunday April 02, 2023 @02:52AM
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The Netherlands is tiny and the 2nd largest agricultural exporter in the world by value, after the US. After the hunger winter in 1944 we became obsessed with food production but there is such a thing as too much.
Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by spiderfarmer on Sunday April 02, 2023 @03:10AM
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The “export” argument is so stupid when you see how far it is exported. On a US scale this mostly would be within state borders.
Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by twixfel on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:19AM
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It's not stupid, they're literally exporting it.
Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by spiderfarmer on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:56AM
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It is stupid, because it just makes sense to have agriculture in a fertile area like the river delta in NL. And it doesn’t make sense to focus on protecting the very species that are not able to flourish without human intervention.
So, focus on protecting species that do well in nitrogen poor areas in the areas that are actually nitrogen poor.
If we move production around to average everything out we’ll end up with a more homogeneous Europe, less production and less biodiversity.
Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by Thiez on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:29AM
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You're turning things around. These species are suffering because of human nitrogen pollution. Where does all the excess nitrogen come from that is preventing these species from flourishing? Oh hey, turns out it's mostly agriculture.
Re:These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft
by spiderfarmer on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:00AM
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Most species we want to protect now only thrived once because people extracted nitrogen from the area, like in the case of heath fields and woodlands. Or became sand plains because we repeatedly burned down the forests for military reasons.
I don’t know if you know your history, but farmers do.
Easy for you to say when you have a full stomach. See what happened in countries that disregard their farmers or agricultural sectors. Food price soared, and social unrest set in leading to crime, anarchy and governments collapsing.
People need to eat, simple. Hungry people will eventually turn to crime to survive, including the people paid form your taxes to protect you (police, military, etc)