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Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by srameshc on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:24PM (#35393096)
Nothing twitter can do to restore the lost trust. Twitter has to die evenutally. I believe in federated microblogging future.
Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by szundi on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:33PM (#35393236)
A closed secretive company must be better for sure.
Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by LegitShady on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:51PM (#35393467)
I dont think the general public wants to do the work. centralized systems leverage that to win in the long run.
Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by bbarnett on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:26PM (#35395157)
I dont think the general public wants to do the work. centralized systems leverage that to win in the long run.

Outside of hackernews, most people could care less. So many non-tech twitter users I have talked to, don't even know Musk bought it.

Why would they know/care to move, as you say.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by sho_hn on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:22PM (#35393855)
For me the best social media company is one I don't have to trust in because I can look, check and verify. Or at least that others can do this.

In that sense, this does make a dent.

Still, without config/model weights, etc. it's not worth that much.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by arnorhs on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:58PM (#35394224)
I think twitter can be replaced by another twitter. something that share some of the nice traits, but leaves out the others.

Whatever it is it won't be federated though.. except maybe as a small side feature "normies" dont know about.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by simonw on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:18PM (#35394474)
Launching a big brand Twitter alternative on top of the existing Fediverse feels to me like it could work incredibly well right now.

The obsolute worst thing about the Fediverse (Mastodon et al) right now is the onboarding process. You have to "chose an instance" before you can even start understanding what that's about - and if you chose wrong you might find your instance gets switched off leaving you high and dry in the future.

Now imagine Tumblr ships ActivityPub. Every Tumblr user can now follow any Mastodon user, and vice-versa. The Tumblr ecosystem gets a whole bunch of new high quality available content. Mastodon enthusiasts can tell their skeptical friends "go sign up for a Tumblr account and follow me from that".

Or... if you're launching something new, why would you launch from a state of zero accounts when you could launch with Fediverse compatibility and have ~10m accounts that your first users can start following straight away?

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by th18row on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:08PM (#35394996)
> Or... if you're launching something new, why would you launch from a state of zero accounts when you could launch with Fediverse compatibility and have ~10m accounts that your first users can start following straight away?

I'd rather build something new and actually have a userbase than be something akin to a subreddit with fleeting users. It will be a lot more hard work, but it's worth it.

Also, Mastodon sucks. This whole "let's be free together" but also "don't step out of line" culture is disgusting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495086.

> The obsolute worst thing about the Fediverse (Mastodon et al) right now is the onboarding process. You have to "chose an instance" before you can even start understanding what that's about - and if you chose wrong you might find your instance gets switched off leaving you high and dry in the future.

That's the problem. It's unnecessarily complex and other than a subniche, people in the real world are not interested in it. They just don't care about this at all.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by simonw on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:04PM (#35403039)
Which is the opportunity. It's unnecessarily complex: so solve that.
Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by th18row on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:41AM (#35408795)
It's possible that I'm missing something here, but I'm not sure what's the point of the 'fediverse' is. Looks like a solution looking for a problem, or an overcorrection to the trend from the 2010s to move everything to silos (independent forums -> facebook groups / subreddits / twitter).

Wouldn't it be better and simpler to just revert that trend to how it was before the big tech behemoths put everything behind walled gardens?

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by krapp on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:46AM (#35408845)
>Wouldn't it be better and simpler to just revert that trend to how it was before the big tech behemoths put everything behind walled gardens?

That's... kind of the point of the fediverse? A decentralized network built on non-proprietary software makes walled gardens and centralization by corporations infeasible. Identity is controlled by the end user.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by th18row on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:02AM (#35409273)
But the web is already descentralized, isn't it? What I mean is, why don't we go back to the early 2000s phase where there were popular forums for everything, each of them with disctint styles and idiosyncrasies. You could have a separate identity in each of them, and I don't remember ever once thinking "oh, it would be cool to be able to somehow connect this account with this other one in this other forum".

It brings me back a few years ago where everyone just had to use blockchains instead of... a database, when it made no sense. It should be decentralization in the sense of offer, not technical decentralization.

Mastodon and the like feel flat to me. Again, maybe I'm missing a key piece here.

> A decentralized network built on non-proprietary software makes walled gardens and centralization by corporations infeasible

I don't think so. I don't think any of this will gather enough momentum to make a dent to the established networks (Twitter, FB, TikTok, Reddit, etc). That ship has sailed, imho

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by th18row on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:00PM (#35394929)
Sorry but I have this strong feeling that the Fediverse/ActivityPub will be one of those ideas that will fail miserably or just become a niche for weirdos. My reasoning is: it's completely unnecessary. Just have different sites, like forums from the early 2000s. Much cleaner and simpler. I don't need a shared identity throughout these places. It's not what the web was meant to be, at all.

On the other hand, I have no reason to assume Twitter will die. What trust are we talking about here? I have no idea. People will just continue using it. In fact, I vastly prefer what's happening now than what the last management was doing.

Not trying to be confrontational here. I'm trusting my gut feeling more because I've seen through so many things that range from delusions to failed ideas in the last decade: Theranos, WeWork, Metaverse, Clubhouse, Crypto [other than Bitcoin], Social networks pretending to be the arbiters of truth, etc. I have a strong BS detector.

Re:A new era of transparency for Twitter by yucky on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:15PM (#35395560)
Wait, did you find Twitter trustworthy before Elon bought it? If so, why?