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Re:The Twitter Algorithm by roughly on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:35PM (#35392312)
I expect they're tracking the red team/blue team metrics because of the political shitstorm that's been the GOP's assertions they're being silenced by The Algorithm.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by panarky on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:45PM (#35394094)
The fallacy of false equivalence systematized in code.

Now one side can spew as much disinfo and incitement to violence as it likes, and any algorithm change that prevents this shit from getting amplified will be rejected as bias.

BSaaS = Both Sides as a Service

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by KarlKemp on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:21PM (#35394519)
Well, technically they are looking for relative changes, not equal total exposures.
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Re:The Twitter Algorithm by zeven7 on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:18PM (#35394468)
I clicked downvote before reading the whole comment. At first I thought you were talking about the red team when you started with "mass riots and violence..." Then I read the rest of your comment and still felt just as good about my downvote. This isn't a constructive comment no matter what "side" you're on.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by luxuryballs on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:37PM (#35394703)
“Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.” JFK
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by willdr on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:09PM (#35394355)
What are you talking about? Do you remember January 6?
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by panarky on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:21PM (#35394516)
Everybody remembers January 6 except those who want to pretend it didn't happen.

How many remember the floods of Twitter incitement to hit the gas in their F-150 trucks to run over protesters, and then how many people actually perpetrated vehicle attacks?

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by eldritch_4ier on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:40PM (#35394733)
Yes, the one single right wing riot of the last 50 odd years. Do you remember the dozens who died and the billions in damage of the BLM riots? The actual insurrections in Portland and Seattle?
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by JackAndJack on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:22PM (#35394525)
What about Jan 6th? People walking around in people's house lead by police?
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by regularjack on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:18PM (#35394475)
"approved terminology".
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by electrondood on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:53PM (#35395386)
Not sure why you got downvoted, you're absolutely correct.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by slg on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:10PM (#35395503)
This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. It was reported years ago that Twitter was unable to cut down on hate speech because the automated systems they developed triggered too many [debatably false] positives on Republican politicians and that was bad for the company's reputation. If Twitter wanted to prevent future code changes from impacting that approach, there needed to be something like this in the code or tests.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by lenkite on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:08PM (#35396323)
The Twitter files over the last several months has comprehensively shown the selective and explicit, human-enforced banning of conservative accounts.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by slg on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:38PM (#35396874)
I don't know what specific documents you think did that, but "comprehensively" is absolutely an awful way to describe the Twitter Files. They were anything but "comprehensive". In actuality, they were an excellent example of how easy it is to lie using partial truths. For example, highlighting all the times Twitter took moderation recommendations from a Democratic campaign looks a lot worse if you hide any time they took moderation from Republican campaigns. A simple look at the specific journalists that were given access to Twitter documents and the strings attached to that access reveals that the Twitter Files were not about transparency. They were an ideological play and nothing more. If Musk wanted true transparency, he would have given wider access to more documents or just released them all like Jack Dorsey requested.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by lenkite on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:45PM (#35396897)
Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out? The only ones that were revealed so far were of the following types:

1. requests to un-ban or un-suspend right-wing personas

2. removal of explicit death threats.

3. Anything against the vaccine - even actual, scientific data.

From the twitter files, the Twitter team that was wholly left-leaning spent significant time and debate looking for the mildest of excuses to ban right-wing politicians, building black lists for them and even gloating happily as they managed to kick them off. Not much doubt about that - actually no one has even denied that. There were several hearings also in the house judiciary where they even confirmed the same.

(Interestingly, there was pressure applied on Matt Taibbi to either "shut up" or relinquish all his sources to law enforcement. Also, as a form of indirect pressure to rattle him, US tax agents visited his house the VERY DAY he would testify before US Congress stating that his tax returns had been rejected due to identity theft concerns - despite him having the electronic receipt which showed it being accepted.)

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by slg on Saturday April 01, 2023 @12:26AM (#35397141)
>Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out?

That is exactly my point. I can't because none were released. That is not a reason to assume they don't exist. You are assuming full transparency in a situation with only partial transparency.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by nicky0 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:27AM (#35398046)
At the same time, there is also no reason to beleive they do exist.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by TylerE on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:52AM (#35398188)
Sure there is. A biased source paid a journalist to be a sheep and repeat what he was told.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by blitzar on Saturday April 01, 2023 @04:29AM (#35398425)
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-tru...

WHEN THE WHITE House called up Twitter in the early morning hours of September 9, 2019, officials had what they believed was a serious issue to report: Famous model Chrissy Teigen had just called President Donald Trump “a pussy ass bitch” on Twitter — and the White House wanted the tweet to come down.

That exchange — revealed during Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee hearing on Twitter by Rep. Gerry Connolly — and others like it are nowhere to be found in Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” releases

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by dudeinjapan on Saturday April 01, 2023 @06:02AM (#35398925)
Huh? What does this prove? Trump's WH may have requested Teigen's tweet to be removed, but it's still there: https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by blitzar on Saturday April 01, 2023 @07:20AM (#35399314)
> there is also no reason to beleive they do exist.

Proof of reason to believe they do exist.

Furthermore, the office of the president, the FBI, the Government making a request to limit the free speech of a citizen is entirely different from Joe Blow in the street making a request.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by dudeinjapan on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:05AM (#35418765)
If anything it gives credence to the theory that while both dem and repub lawmakers request Twitter to remove embarrassing tweets (obvious), Twitter pre-Elon only answered the dem's requests.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by ModernMech on Saturday April 01, 2023 @07:55AM (#35399526)
Maybe you missed this news story:

  Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets[1]

  The research found that in six out of seven countries, apart from Germany, tweets from rightwing politicians received more amplification from the algorithm than those from the left; right-leaning news organisations were more amplified than those on the left; and generally politicians’ tweets were more amplified by an algorithmic timeline than by the chronological timeline.

  According to a 27-page research document [2], Twitter found a “statistically significant difference favouring the political right wing” in all the countries except Germany.
Twitter admits it was boosting right wing accounts over left wing accounts. It treated right wing twitter users who violated its own terms of service better than regular users because of their position as conservative leaders. Trump himself was boosted and promoted while he violated Twitter TOS. It took him using Twitter to wage a coup against the US government for them to ban him. So yeah, there's more than a little reason to believe that there's evidence at Twitter of them boosting right wing accounts.

And PS: Notice that this research by Twitter is never mentioned by Musk or in the Twitter files. They're trying very hard to memory hole this report, and it seems like it's worked on you.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

[2] https://cdn.cms-twdigitalassets.com/content/dam/blog-twitter...

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by nicky0 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:59AM (#35399974)
But that was published while the pro-Democrat establishment goons were in charge of Twitter, so of course they would say that because they wanted you to beleive they weren't favouring the left. It's hardly a reiable source. Same applies to Musk-era of course.

In the end, we accept the things we agree with, and discredit the ones we prefer not to believe. Human nature.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by ModernMech on Saturday April 01, 2023 @11:17AM (#35400936)
As I said, we don't need to know anything internal about Twitter to know for a fact that they bent over backwards to elevate extremist right wing voices. Because they elevated the most important extremist voice for 4 years as he violated the terms of use for their platform. In effect, we all had one TOS, and there was a different, more permissive TOS for the leader of the US MAGA-right wing movement, the most extreme version of right wing politics in America. That's blatant, confirmed, irrefutable, systematic bias and special treatment for conservatives on Twitter, pre Musk.

In case you want to discount the Twitter report as a false flag, here's a report from NYU that independently confirmed Twitter is biased toward conservatives. It also found the same for Facebook: https://bhr.stern.nyu.edu/bias-report-release-page

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by nicky0 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @12:38PM (#35401642)
American universites are notoriously politically biased. Calling that "independent" is laughable.

Again - we beleive what we want to believe. We ignore what we want to ignore.

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by ModernMech on Saturday April 01, 2023 @01:59PM (#35402414)
You really can't just blanket claim that all research from a university is politically biased, even if you feel American universities in general are biased. Come on now, we're here for discourse that's a little more nuanced than that I hope.

Since all you're bringing to the discussion at this point is a comic, I think that's all there is to say.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by nicky0 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:36AM (#35435900)
Yes, discussion over, you learned nothing, you'll carry on defending your fixed beliefs, and you got in a cheap comment about a serious comic. Well done.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by prezjordan on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:58AM (#35399971)
This is a lie. We got a glimpse into how accounts like LibsOfTikTok regularly set off alarms only to get tags such as "Do not ban. Ask first."

The only thing selective and explicit was the information Musk allowed bought-and-paid-for "journalists" to access.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by lenkite on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:10PM (#35396334)
"Now BOTH sides can spew as much disinfo and incitement to violence as it likes"

Fixed.

Re:The Twitter Algorithm by n0tahacker on Saturday April 01, 2023 @02:21AM (#35397676)
*Now both sides can spew as many disinfo as they like. I ask myself what happens to the political actors outside this spectrum. Also, I think that there are reasonable people on both sides of the angle. You could amplify the reasonable people on both sides. BSaaS = Bull Shit as a Service
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by dudeinjapan on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:43AM (#35398139)
Yeah but despite all that they should still give leftists a platform to tweet.
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by concordDance on Saturday April 01, 2023 @05:53AM (#35398871)
I don't see an unbiased way to tell which "side" releases more disinformation and incitement to violence. Even deciding what counts as disinformation is hard (e.g. does it have to be literally false or just cause false beliefs in the reader?).
Re:The Twitter Algorithm by ModernMech on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:25AM (#35399702)
One way to tell would be to look at which side is incited to violence more often.

It turns out, according to the FBI (which is a conservative organization historically and exclusively run by conservatives), right wing extremism and violence is in fact the biggest domestic terror threat in the US, and it's currently growing [1]. He gave this testimony after a right wing domestic terror attack was carried out that aimed to topple the US government. Not much has changed since then [2]. Since the President's indictment the other day, the right-wing violent rhetoric has also ratcheted up a notch, so we can expect right-wing violence to follow.

Notably, we can confidently say this doesn't happen on the left, as when Hillary lost they did not launch an assault against the Capitol as the right did. Instead, they knit pink hats and had a march.

(PS before anyone whattabouts the George Floyd protests, the FBI doesn't see them the same way [3])

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-ri...

https://news.yahoo.com/right-wing-extremists-responsible-for...

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrori...