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Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by phkahler on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:22AM (#35388470)
Actually, energy storage by weight is not as big a deal for electric cars. Regenerative braking can recover most of a vehicles kinetic energy, which is where the weight dependent energy goes. This is why several hybrids get better fuel economy in city driving than highway, the biggest losses are due to aero which increases nonlinearly with speed.

Otherwise yes, it's important to find something better without sacrificing on any of those metrics.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by subarctic on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:55AM (#35389008)
>Regenerative braking can recover most of a vehicles kinetic energy

I used to think that was the case, but then i think i read somewhere that it only recovers 20% of the kinetic energy. Can't find it anymore though

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by magnuspaaske on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:16PM (#35389330)
As with anything else it depends what you optimise for and at the most basic level the car uses the engines to accelerate at all speeds but might need to use break pads at slow speeds.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by feifan on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:18PM (#35389351)
I've seen data showing ~70% recovery on a Model 3, but I also can't find the source :/
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by mikeyouse on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:21PM (#35389386)
Like OP mentioned, the efficiency of recovery varies by speed but is generally in the 65%-80% range for total round-trip (the system captures ~80% of the kinetic energy but with round-trip losses, you only get ~80% of that energy to propel the car).

Maybe you're thinking of the total range boost provided by regen braking? That's often shown to be roughly 20% via studies;

https://sci-hub.se/10.1109/vppc.2011.6043109

> Simulations show that the energy reduction of the vehicles under test can be more than 20% by applying regenerative braking.

It's an older study, but they show the regen efficiency at 60% for the EcoTruck and 70% for the bus.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by hutzlibu on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:19PM (#35389360)
It is basic physic.

There is all the time friction of air and the road. You can never recover that.

And in rare cases where you actually can recover energy, at non emergency slowing down, it is probably indeed in that ballpark, wich is something(especially in city with stop and go), but not very high or much. With very high tech, you can increase that number a bit, but not worth the effort. Electric cars need good batteries and every improvement there is good.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by satiric on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:02PM (#35390780)
It depends a lot on how you drive. If you do a lot of hard braking, the car will have to use a lot of friction braking. If you slow down more gradually, the car can just use regen which is gonna be pretty efficient.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by simplotek on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:31PM (#35395198)
Still, I'm not sure OP's train of thought holds. Mass matters because you need to spend energy to accelerate it and move it uphill. Regenerative breaking does not have 100% efficiency. Therefore, energy losses are proportional to weight. Also, isn't tire drag proportional to weight? That's a energy sink that can't be recovered by breaking.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by PragmaticPulp on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:24PM (#35389429)
Heavier cars are more dangerous in collisions.

The extra weight of a big battery requires a bigger frame to carry it, bigger suspension, wider tires, and so on.

I’m not really happy that some of these monster EVs are approaching 10,000lbs with fast 0-60 times. It’s like a kinetic missile that can reach a momentum capable of obliterating your average 3000lb compact car in under 5 seconds.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by lazide on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:40PM (#35389647)
That is pretty much the definition of moving the goal posts?
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by jgtrosh on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:40PM (#35390434)
There can be multiple reasons for heavy cars to be bad. Additionally, extra heavy cars wear roads much faster.

It's nice to have a way of recuperating energy but it doesn't solve everything.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by _a_a_a_ on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:10PM (#35390938)
They didn't say it solved everything
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by TaylorAlexander on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:45PM (#35392438)
Actually if I follow the conversation, the first person said “storage density matters”. The second person said “actually it does not because the energy gets recovered”. The follow up said “actually there are other reasons why weight is a problem.”

So the first person never set goal posts around efficiency, that was an assumption by the second person. The first person could always have meant that the collision risks from heavier vehicles are higher, while the second person misunderstood their meaning. No moving of goalposts here.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by entropicgravity on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:59PM (#35415152)
In the not too distant future cities will ban large vehicles EV and ICE from the downtown core. The automotive market will then split into small city cars and bigger highway cars. In the city core roads will be covered (because no poisonous exhaust gases).