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Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by vharuck on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:04AM (#35382805)
>It sounds like they have to prove two separate crimes, and connect them with intention. Intent of course is always hard to prove in court.

Michael Cohen pled guilty and was sentenced to three years for the campaign finance law, and he's been very vocal about Trump's knowledge and involvement. So proving intent doesn't seem impossible. And, by definition, falsifying business records comes with a record of false information.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by guelo on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:13AM (#35382881)
I've seen arguments in the right-ophere that Cohen improperly plead guilty to a non-crime. Which seems like a weird thing for a high-level well-connected lawyer to do.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by TeeMassive on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:03AM (#35383214)
Cohen was not crime lawyer. And any high-level lawyer will tell you that even them will not represent themselves in a criminal investigation nor are they immune from make false confessions under the pressure of the federal government.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by roenxi on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:13AM (#35383722)
There was a fairly effective push to dismantle groups linked to Trump's electoral success [0]. They had a similar air of bullshit charges that only became an issue because prosecutors wanted to achieve political ends.

It is weird, but it is likely he is being threatened. If they can get Trump arrested for this, they can certainly put Cohen in jeopardy.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-tr...

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by ZeroGravitas on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:44AM (#35384317)
Worth mentioning that Stormy Daniels claims that she and her child were threatened over this issue.

> 'Leave Trump alone. Forget the story.' And then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, 'That's a beautiful little girl. It'd be a shame if something happened to her mom.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stormy-dan...

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by saiya-jin on Friday March 31, 2023 @05:48AM (#35384664)
that alone is pretty serious stuff, the hard part is proving it actually happened (if I was dealing with such things I would always record every conversation on some tiny recorder, not phone, but thats me)
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by staunton on Friday March 31, 2023 @06:00AM (#35384739)
> if I was dealing with such things I would always record every conversation on some tiny recorder

that would also be illegal though, and could not be used in court as evidence? (Not a lawyer, not legal advice) On the other hand, nowadays it's pretty easy to fake voice recordings. I'm not sure if it can be done in a way that is hard to detect by experts.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by berniedurfee on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:33AM (#35385465)
IANAL, but I think recording the conversation surreptitiously is legal in NY, as long as one party knows they’re being recorded.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by wolrah on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:47AM (#35386291)
At the US Federal level the law is "one party consent", meaning that someone who is a party to a private conversation can record it without requiring the approval of the other part(y/ies). You can't record someone else's private conversation without approval, but you can record those you are a party to.

Some states have stricter "two party consent" laws which require both/all parties to approve, which is why most national companies put automated warnings in their phone systems if they're recording any calls.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by treis on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:29AM (#35388589)
That wasn't the only crime he pled guilty to. Likely had to plea guilty to all crimes to get his deal.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by TeeMassive on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:04AM (#35383228)
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by freen on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:19AM (#35385321)
Only thing that matters: what is said under oath.

The rest is marketing/BS.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by TeeMassive on Saturday April 01, 2023 @10:05PM (#35406383)
> Only thing that matters: what is said under oath

You mean that what a witness has said outside of court can't be presented as evidence?

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by prepend on Sunday April 02, 2023 @01:01PM (#35412616)
I don’t think it can. You’d need the witness to testify or sign an affidavit and submit it as evidence. But there’s a lot of particulars about evidence so I think depends on how they said it.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by TeeMassive on Sunday April 02, 2023 @02:16PM (#35413470)
Have you ever watched a criminal trial? Some of them are streamed online now. Seriously go watch them, you often get career lawyers commenting on them too, for free.

What someone said publicly can definitely be used and has been used criminal trials.