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Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by dmix on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:27PM (#35381692)
This also happened before he was a sitting president, so all the stuff about “Bush Iraq war crimes” and “Nixon’s burglary” and similar historical presidential baggage is mostly irrelevant, at least in terms of new precedent.

The social/civil consequences of this sort of criminal indictment before election is enough to kill a presidential campaign and has enough times in history. As it should be.

This is behaviour before/after presidency when the stakes are far lower.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by dukeofdoom on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:43PM (#35381824)
Doesn't that just give over power to prosecutors to pick who you get to vote for?
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:48PM (#35381851)
Exactly, the hidden point is some people hate Trump so much they would destroy everything in the USA to destroy him.

They will get their wish.Desantis just came out said he won't assist extradition so come and get him

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by gaganyaan on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:28AM (#35382560)
I almost wish HN had emoji reactions for comments. Upvote/downvote doesn't quite cut it when what this comment really needs is just an eyeroll emoji, possibly paired with "OK Boomer".
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by phone8675309 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:55PM (#35381913)
Yes - look at Comey's comments about butter emails that severely damaged Hilary Clinton's electoral chances.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by otterley on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:10AM (#35382850)
I think you mean "influence elections" - "picking who[m] you get to vote for" is quite a stretch.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by vkou on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:11AM (#35382865)
The alternative is a country where political candidates are not bound by the rule of law.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by brewdad on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:28AM (#35383417)
Just in case, I am hereby declaring my candidacy for the President of the United States for the upcoming election and all future elections in my lifetime.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:11AM (#35386615)
Same here but the trick is also being popular.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:52PM (#35381888)
No your opinion isn't fact. Donald Trump danger is the fact he's beloved by base in way that could rip the country apart in way beyond Nixon or Bush.

Everything for his indictment needed to be kosher and it isn't. Many top democrats are fuming over this.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by dmix on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:55PM (#35381908)
Yes everything is different right now and all precedent and apprehensive reactions should be disregarded - aka what every single hysterical partisan in history has said.

Don’t worry… we’ll be okay whatever happens. It’s never as bad as what the FUD pushers wished would happen (“feared” would be the wrong word here).

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:55PM (#35381918)
Except we handed Trump 2024 on a silver platter
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by daveguy on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:38AM (#35382638)
Nah.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by kcplate on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:11PM (#35382022)
In terms of tearing the country apart…I think you need to separate the nut jobs who idolize Trump from the right leaning folks who simply supported Trump mainly because he was on their side of the line and frankly not an elderly democrat who was a punchline before he became “The Alternative”.

The nut jobs will create problems, the others will complain but not act. Overall the others far outweigh the nut jobs.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:08AM (#35382434)
It's not 2016 anymore. civil war and the great divorce is mainstream
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by kcplate on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:15AM (#35382473)
I’m in the heart of Trump country and I guarantee the number trump flags flying and MAGA hat wearing ain’t what it used to be around me. I definitely don’t see the same levels of Trump adulation now.

Frankly even some hardcore supporters I know are tired of his shtick and lean DeSantis.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by bbarnett on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:23AM (#35387602)
No sure what you fully mean here, but the 60s/70s, and the civil disobedience at the time, make all current stuff, BLM, the protests, seem tiny in comparison.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by MisterBastahrd on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:27AM (#35382552)
What isn't kosher about it?

Trump is being indicted by a grand jury, not the DA. Half the people in his orbit have done time in prison for committing crimes that just happened to benefit him.

Many top Democrats are fuming?

Name them.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by stuckinhell on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:03PM (#35381972)
Trump is a fundamentally different player than Bush or Nixon. They were establishment in times the establishment wasn't nearly as hated as it is now.

This just plays to Trump's strength as the ultimate rebel.

In terms of game theory, this is a very different game than Nixon or Bush. Trump annihilated the Bush Legacy, and is hated by both sides of the establishment.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by bayesian_horse on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:17AM (#35387504)
Trump is part of "the establishment" himself. And that he can bullshit people like you into believing otherwise is part of his superpower as a lifelong pathologic liar.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by googlerx on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:36AM (#35383044)
At least some of the legally problematic reimbursement payments to Cohen happened while he was president.