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Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @12:18PM (#35359387)
Fun read, but it feels vaguely dystopian to me. The TVA is very, y'know, bad? And using it as your example of how to control org culture because "It can get problematic if the employees start to question the TVA" feels like the kind of thing you only do when critiquing or satirizing corporate consultancies.

Similarly, I am by no means educated on workplace whatnot in general or the Nadler-Tushman Congruence Model specifically, but, at least to me, the diagram under "Evaluating Congruence" would be good parody of a meaningless powerpoint slide if it wasn't real. I think it's the word "Strategy" added in small text to a random arrow that really takes it to the level where my brain needs to start evaluating whether I'm looking at a parody.

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by drbwaa on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @12:46PM (#35359820)
The whole thing reads like something I might have submitted for a high school writing assignment on a dare.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by outworlder on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @12:50PM (#35359874)
> The TVA is very, y'know, bad?

And so are corporations.

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by marcosdumay on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:46PM (#35360663)
Corporations are only bad when they are powerful.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by TheNorthman on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @02:28PM (#35361241)
There doesn't exist a corporation on the planet, that doesn't have power over its employees.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by marcosdumay on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:48PM (#35363372)
That's why we control the amount of their power. On most of the world, corporations can't genocide their employees.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by tenpies on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:54PM (#35367721)
Just wait until you learn about governments! It's like a corporation on steroids, with its own army, and it gets to make up the rules.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by MrJohz on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:42AM (#35372569)
And, thankfully, a democracy and rigorous checks and balances to boot - features that seem consistently lacking in most corporations...
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by hindsightbias on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:04PM (#35360075)
The TVA is bad like IAEA is bad. They're just trying to prevent the crazy.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:07PM (#35360116)
"The crazy" being prevented in that sentence is the life of nearly every sentient being.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by sleepybrett on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:29PM (#35360420)
That's not true. Just the the life of any sentient being that is not incorporated into the sacred timelines.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:38PM (#35360550)
Okay, fine "most of the lives of every sentient being." As Douglas Adams said, the major problem of time travel is grammar.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by marcosdumay on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:45PM (#35360645)
That rounds to "all sentient beings" for any level of approximation you choose to pick.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by sleepybrett on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:36PM (#35434245)
Also rounds to "no sentient beings"
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by DSMan195276 on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:03PM (#35361708)
Is their life really "ended" if there is still an infinite number of them in other timelines? I'm kind-of joking, but once you start contemplating the multiverse things stop making much sense.

It's not made super clear but it seems the TVA does not destroy every branching timeline. By extension we can arguably infer that infinite copies of "everybody" still exist, just in a smaller set of timelines (the ones the TVA allows to exist). So, if they've erased an infinite amount of life, but also an infinite amount of life still exists, then what actually happened?

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by BolexNOLA on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:06PM (#35360099)
By unilaterally deciding the “right” timeline and purging living beings who don’t fit in lol

Also let’s not forget kidnapping, gaslighting, and erasing people’s memories!

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by moron4hire on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:30PM (#35360445)
Exactly. There is an underlying narrative that goes almost unquestioned that Some Evil is necessary to prevent a Greater Evil. That's how we get things like the fucking Patriot Act and this new "TikTok Ban".
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by JadeNB on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:48PM (#35360690)
> There is an underlying narrative that goes almost unquestioned that Some Evil is necessary to prevent a Greater Evil. That's how we get things like the fucking Patriot Act ….

There was an awful lot of questioning about the Patriot Act; it just got shouted down. I'm sure there is as much questioning today, it's just that the people who prefer you not question things have got better at shouting you down (or, well, more than shouting).

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by CyberDildonics on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:04PM (#35360078)
Similarly, I am by no means educated on workplace whatnot in general or the Nadler-Tushman Congruence Model

What does this mean?

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:41PM (#35360591)
That weird chart, with the "Environment/Resources/History" inputs and the "Transformational Process" of "Culture/Work/People/Structure", is called the "Nadler-Tushman Congruence Model" and it has, like, actual papers written about it for places like the "Journal of Organisational Transformation & Social Change": https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=nadler-tushman+congruen...

I lack the awareness of the field to judge whether it expresses something profound or is absolute bullshit.

Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by parthianshotgun on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:16PM (#35360221)
It means he's just a regular person not educated in workplace theory
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by whatgoodisaroad on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:51PM (#35360741)
I wouldn't say it's a given that the TVA is bad. It depends profoundly on who you're asking.
Re:Marvel's Loki is secretly about org design by michael1999 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @04:27PM (#35378402)
Is != ought.

Paranoid police states also need to understand system design. And they may be clearer about the conflicts between human nature and organizational mission than public comms allow.

Consider that the NSA built their spooky-STASI data warehouse of all communications anywhere/anytime/forever in Utah. Perhaps someone believes it will be easier to recruit for a culture of secret archives in Utah than in Maryland.