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Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by o8o8o8o on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:22PM (#35295738)
Slightly offtopic, but I feel like America's lack of a true public broadcaster like the BBC in the UK, ABC in Australia, CBC in Canada etc. is a major contributor to America's polarization issues. NPR is okay but it doesn't fully fill the void that's missing there. Since Americans don't have a public broadcaster that they all have a stake in as taxpayers, Americans pick and choose which news sources they listen to, which inevitably leads people to listen to news that confirms their personal biases. Of course, Americans are allergic to such things as "state run propaganda".
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by waboremo on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:35PM (#35295911)
They do have CPB, which does fund the likes of PBS and NPR among others. But even that has been called into question not too long ago and they were trying to push to defund CPB (even though it's budget is around $450m).
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by gandalfgeek on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:29PM (#35295849)
> Of course, Americans are allergic to such things as "state run propaganda".

... for good reason.

Is there evidence to show that the BBC and CBC have reduced polarization in Britain and Canada? One could argue that they have plenty of their own biases and are not especially good at detecting or correcting for those.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by vkou on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:53PM (#35297276)
Not for any 'good' reason, given how they are not allergic to other utterly insane examples of state propaganda (constant glorification of the military, the executive, childhood recitation of the pledge of allegiance).

The only reason for why there isn't a CBC equivalent in the US is 'because it happened that way'. Trying to find some generalized reason in this particular artifact of a political culture is like trying to find reason in a drunkard's walk.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by Y_Y on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:01PM (#35297361)
The implausible claim needed proof here isn't that one. Those state broadcasters absolutely do have their own angle (pro-state, and pro whatever the editorial staff is into, vaguely left of centre stuff these days).

They aren't on the same level as major US news networks when it comes to distortion and agenda-pushing though. This is my opinion, but there are plenty of systematic studies that show the same thing. If you look but can't find any then I'll come back with links.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by web3-is-a-scam on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:25PM (#35297591)
Canadian here: the CBC contributes to polarization more than any other media outlet in the country. It’s become a wedge issue that conservatives want to complete defund the public subsidies or even abolish it.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by jszymborski on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:01PM (#35297920)
PBS and NPR are common targets of Republicans also. It really has nothing to do with any implicit bias or polarising content.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by dboreham on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:08PM (#35297982)
It's to do with suppressing the truth, or anything close to it. Same as most religions persecute scientists.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by gnarbarian on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:09PM (#35298446)
suppressing truth is the primary function of media.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by phist_mcgee on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:29PM (#35299016)
Now that is a hot take.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by kgen on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:25PM (#35295791)
There's PBS, but yeah if it had the popularity of BBC it would probably look a lot different.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by loxias on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:23PM (#35295764)
That's what I think of NPR as.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by boastful_inaba on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:33PM (#35295894)
CBC, ABC, and the BBC are all fairly infamously left-leaning though and support one specific party in their respective systems. It's inherent to a tax-funded broadcaster that it'll go lefty/prog/commie/lib/etc - it's not like the tax-funded broadcaster will ever support efficiency in government or the side that likes public choice or markets!
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by waboremo on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:52PM (#35296155)
Neither CBC, ABC, or BBC are "infamously left-leaning". They are very much all center. That's literally one of their biggest criticisms, that they're too "boring" by not taking more of a stand on anything.

Also, important to note: Rupert Murdoch is directly involved in the funding of trying to convince people that these public broadcasters are "too left leaning". For his own profitable gains, as the more people turn away from them, the more they turn to stations he owns. Something to think about.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by egberts1 on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:17PM (#35296977)
Centrist by ommission is not the same as actively pursuing a true journalistic path.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by waboremo on Saturday March 25, 2023 @01:05PM (#35304652)
>true journalistic path

Which has very little meaning as "true" can mean whatever you want it to mean. BBC, ABC, and CBC have much higher journalistic integrity than their private counterparts.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by egberts1 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:48PM (#35307180)
Agreed.

True journalistic path is not about the truth but about the dispensation of facts in a way that will help the reader make an informed decision pertinent to themselves and its surrounding.

Otherwise, we have "National Enquirers" infestation and all those who are yellow-journaling in their chasing of the last revenue pool.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by Rovoska on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:28PM (#35296543)
Calling the famously transphobic bbc left wing is a hilarious joke.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by pydry on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:55PM (#35297297)
Most of the people who run the BBC are linked to the Tory party (who are very right wing). It generally acts as a propaganda arm of the government.

It used to swing left wing in, like, the 1980s and it used to be independent until the Hutton enquiry.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by KyeRussell on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:05PM (#35297400)
Oh please. Cry me a river. Australia’s right-wing government ran a decade-long ABC smear campaign which included multiple government-mandated enquires, of the government’s design mind you, to try to prove and weed out bias at the ABC.

1. They didn’t really find anything of note. 2. The whole exercise has scared many at the ABC into not doing good journalism 3. The decade of budget cuts which had a negligible effect on the bottom line but were a fantastic way to virtue signal to the party’s right-wing fan base took away from, among other things, the quality of the ABC’s journalistic output.

You’re looking at a news org that was run under a right-wing government for a decade, including them installing one of their own at the top, and telling me that there’s ‘left-ring bias’? The assertions you’re making about things “never happening” don’t reflect journalistic content I see being pumped out of the ABC ALL the time.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by insane_dreamer on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:07PM (#35297976)
> BBC are all fairly infamously left-leaning though

Huh? Next you'll be saying the Tories are left-leaning :)

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by chpatrick on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:10PM (#35298002)
Everyone accuses the BBC of leaning the opposite direction from them, which is a sign that they're doing something right I guess.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by j7f3 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @08:50AM (#35302155)
Funny thing is almost everyone and their dog in Britain thinks BBC has been controlled by the Tories. I've not seen any evidence of CBC being overwhelmed by lefties either. People on the left size of the political spectrum constantly moan about CBC having too many conservative commentators and such.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by slackfan on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:49PM (#35296117)
Voice of America exists.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by libraryatnight on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:06PM (#35296309)
PBS has some great stuff, but people don't watch it. Their news program is actually good - if you're someone in the US that likes an evening news program but gets exhausted by local stations that don't actually do news beyond warm fuzzies and outright terror, and major outlets that do some news then flog it for 48 hours until their opinions are indistinguishable from their reporting, it's worth checking out.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by tootie on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:07PM (#35297974)
PBS and NPR are the same. They are private non-profits whose existence is blessed by Congress and given partial, indirect financial support by government. By contrast, the BBC is full on government agency whose revenue comes from a specific tax.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by JeremyNT on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:28PM (#35306213)
Exactly.

It's always really odd to watch an episode of eg NOVA about climate change only to see the underwriting by the Koch foundation.

It seems like they aren't selling influence or pulling punches for their benefactors... but would I actually be able to tell if they were?

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by a_w on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:55PM (#35307245)
"Name washing"? Is there such term/phrase?

I stopped watching a show on PBS once the API (American Petroleum Institute) began sponsoring it.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by javajosh on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:34PM (#35298626)
PBS News Hour is a great resource. They now have a YouTube channel with all their content, including live streams. They tend to have a very sensible approach to news. They don't have sponsors to please or audience numbers to hit. They also broadcast considerably less than the 24-hour news networks, which means the ratio of news to opinion is much higher. Their goal seems to be inform, not inflame. I like them.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by acomjean on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:31PM (#35299024)
The local radio station played the PBS news hour even though it’s a tv show. It works that way too. My drive schedule changed so I’m not sure they do anymore. (WGBH Boston)
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by riedel on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:52AM (#35300777)
Funny that you say this, because people that are pushing polarization have picked public broadcasting exactly as one of their main targets in Germany (calling it fake news paid by the government) trying to defund it. In Germany public broadcasters for the first time have a budget of that passed 10 billion EUR.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by javajosh on Saturday March 25, 2023 @08:56AM (#35302195)
$10B EUR per year? That's...unglaublich.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by riedel on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:05AM (#35302748)
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by dredmorbius on Saturday March 25, 2023 @02:27PM (#35305530)
There are also separate podcast channels, one with full broadcast episodes, one with specific segments. I'll dip into the latter most often for the PBS take on a story of interest.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by jbaber on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:56PM (#35298803)
They don't advertise it enough, but if you donate something like $6/mo. you get "PBS passport" access on the PBS app that lets you watch years of old PBS stuff. It's like Netflix with way better content.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by Karrot_Kream on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:34AM (#35300364)
Woah I didn't know this. Thanks.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by pcurve on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:27PM (#35296531)
PSA...

You can stream and watch ondemand PBS.

FRONTLINE is great. They did a show on banking crisis.

https://www.pbs.org/video/age-of-easy-money-osu8cj/

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by pdxandi on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:12PM (#35297462)
Just watched that today. Well done piece. I love Frontline. May be my favorite show all around.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by EamonnMR on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:52PM (#35298775)
Money Printer Go Brrr and the Scorpion and the Frog fable in a Frontline Documentary, what a time to be alive.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by ch4s3 on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:58PM (#35297326)
Is the UK any less polarized?
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by astrange on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:23PM (#35297575)
The UK is reversed; their TV is more like our print media and their print media is more like our TV.

i.e. all the newspapers just print Tory propaganda nonstop and don't report on any scandals until they suddenly notice something happened a year ago when they decide to not like the PM anymore.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by ch4s3 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:14PM (#35310415)
I’m aware, but it’s in effect very similar.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by dehrmann on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:18PM (#35297522)
> Since Americans don't have a public broadcaster that they all have a stake in as taxpayers, Americans pick and choose which news sources they listen to

If you disagree with the public broadcaster, you'll still choose a new source you agree with, along with a movement to defund the public broadcaster.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by insane_dreamer on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:06PM (#35297963)
> Since Americans don't have a public broadcaster

PBS? (Literally "public broadcasting service")

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by karaterobot on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:34PM (#35298633)
Evidently that doesn't qualify, being inconvenient for the original commenter's rhetorical point.
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by refurb on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:31PM (#35298175)
I dont know. The CBC has a very clear political bent to it. It‘s national reporting is clearly from the angle of the upper-middle class who live in Toronto. Either that or just regurgitating the major outlets in the US.

So if you mean “America would benefit from a government run media outlet that mostly supports one party” then i’d have to disagree.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by akira2501 on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:31PM (#35298610)
> is a major contributor to America's polarization issues.

To what extent is this an actual "issue?" What are we sacrificing for having a plethora of divergent ideas?

> Since Americans don't have a public broadcaster that they all have a stake in as taxpayers

I would really prefer not to have one, and in the era of the internet inside of a nation with a strong first amendment that these other countries do not enjoy, I'm not sure what it could possibly add.

> Americans pick and choose which news sources they listen to

Freedom of choice is wonderful, but what you are missing is that several media ownership rules were rescinded in the 1990s. There used to be _more_ choice. Strangely, that actually _reduced_ the "issue" of polarization.

> which inevitably leads people to listen to news that confirms their personal biases.

Then that probably isn't news. It's an opinion piece masquerading under a news masthead. I'm not sure how true news, that is factual information told by someone who's only interest is informing the public, creates bias.

> Americans are allergic to such things as "state run propaganda".

I contributed to NPR, right up until I felt they were veering into "state run propaganda." If they truly covered the news, I might donate again. It's a market, they should serve it, and not seek to survive as a tax driven entity answerable to a federal congress. I'm sure that would just make things worse.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by lizard on Saturday March 25, 2023 @01:08AM (#35299644)
> To what extent is this an actual "issue?" What are we sacrificing for having a plethora of divergent ideas?

There's nothing wrong with divergent ideas per se, but divergent ideas themselves don't really do anything. You and I probably have different ideas about something. And we can leave it at that and both go on with our lives, never interacting and learning about another idea than our own.

In the best case, nothing is gained by this, and that's OK and probably even describes the majority of interactions we will ever have with distinct people. But the "value" of divergent ideas is when they converge back together and generate brand new ideas their neither party would have on their own.

But, in the worst case we continue to diverge in our own ideas, only ever converging with people with the same ideas, building "echo chambers" that separate us from anything new and "in-groups" and "out-groups" that further divide us.

And this seems to be the problem with American politics, and bleeding into American society in general. Everything's a partisan issue and everything's on the extremes, so you're either a left-extremist, a right-extremist, or you're not even part of the conversation. If something isn't promoting our ideas, isn't serving us and shouldn't be supported.

So, what we seem to be sacrificing for having these divergent ideas is having any meaningful conversations that can create new ways forward. Which certainly does seem to be creating a lot of issues.

But for what it's worth, considering how our federal congress behaves these days, I'm inclinded to agree that a tax funded public broadcaster would probably not really be in our best interest.

Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by mshroyer on Saturday March 25, 2023 @01:05AM (#35299626)
Heaven forbid that "Americans pick and choose which news sources they listen to".
Re:NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid major layoffs by weberer on Saturday March 25, 2023 @08:28AM (#35301984)
The USA does have state run propaganda. Its called Voice of America.