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Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by vanilla_nut on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:02PM (#35278793)
The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good iteration on the Framework idea.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by BeefySwain on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:13PM (#35278979)
https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware

If this is anything to go off of, then it seems like they are going to support embedding full QMK enabled input devices. Extremely exciting!

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by nmstoker on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:49PM (#35279515)
Indeed! They just keep doing good things (and doing them well from what I read)
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by JonathonW on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:46PM (#35280299)
They're using QMK on their prototype keyboard and numpad input modules (which are RP2040-based internally).

The interface for input modules to the rest of the computer is "just" USB 2.0, so you could put just about anything there that'll fit in one of the input module form factors. Although high resolution, high frame rate touchscreens are probably out because of bandwidth constraints (since it is only USB 2.0).

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by nrp on Thursday March 23, 2023 @05:03PM (#35281231)
It's plausible to use something like a DisplayLink controller, or for lower resolution even a microcontroller with flexible high speed peripherals like an RP2040 with the PIO interface.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by yencabulator on Monday March 27, 2023 @01:04PM (#35329210)
Maybe you could snake a cable to one of the USB-C ports, if you really needed a display there. DIY foldable anyone?
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by 1MachineElf on Thursday March 23, 2023 @06:08PM (#35281989)
Very exciting indeed. Thank you for pointing this out.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by riedel on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:22PM (#35279095)
Trackpoint with physical mouse buttons... Just let me keep dreaming.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by vanilla_nut on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:16PM (#35279902)
Knowing Framework's community, it's only a matter of time before a trackpoint version with physical mouse buttons and no touchpad becomes available!

I wonder if we'll see a Kickstarter for it soon...

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by heavyset_go on Thursday March 23, 2023 @08:29PM (#35283482)
I'd kill for a trackpoint keyboard.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by eichin on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:19PM (#35284259)
Given that there's just more room in the 16", I wonder how hard it would be to just build an adapter board (and some 3d printed scaffolding) to just mount an actual lenovo thinkpad replacement part...
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by dosssman on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:18AM (#35289369)
When it comes to the keyboard, the room that matters is the height, and both the FW 13 or 16 have a maximum height of 3.8mm

Unless one can come up with a way to produce a custom keyboard with the same height restriction, using something like a Thinkpad keyboard which is considerably taller would essentially require a custom taller chassis.

Not impossible, but relatively hard I would say.

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by MayeulC on Thursday March 23, 2023 @05:24PM (#35281498)
Yeah, I'd love an otrholinear module. I'm very sad that this is not offered on the 13 inch, I'd truly love to play around with that.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by mtlmtlmtlmtl on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:33PM (#35283040)
Split ortholinear keyboard with a clit mouse. If someone makes this to where I can just plug and play and program the keyboard firmware directly I'm switching at the next opportune moment(I'm not a hardware guy, I stop at the lowest levels of programming and leave the soldering to steadier hands...)

Though my Thinkpad can still handle another 5 years of wanton abuse I'm sure, so I have all the time in the world.

Man my next laptop is gonna be awesome. Literally everything I want in a laptop, which has never existed until now(well, soon).

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by Haegin on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:54PM (#35283213)
I'd love someone to do a split ortholinear keyboard on a laptop. That'd probably push it to instant buy for me almost regardless of the rest of the specs etc.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by nrp on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:59PM (#35283252)
Split ortholinear is possible. We didn't show this, but it is technically possible to build an Input Module for the Framework Laptop 16 that is full width, giving a lot of horizontal real estate for a split layout.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by JoshStrobl on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:11AM (#35286360)
Please do an ortho or split ortho layout. I get that it'd be low volume but I'd be willing to pay a premium if it meant being able to keep my Helidox Corne at home while I travel or go into the office, without sacrificing ergonomics.

Looking forward to purchasing the 16 regardless though. Keep up the amazing work / mission with Framework. Fantastic work to the team.

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by tiberriver256 on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:24AM (#35287595)
As a dev with hands that won't let me use a standard laptop keyboard for more than a few minutes without being in pain, this is so needed. It would be so good to be mobile again.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by tracker1 on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:14AM (#35288596)
Have you had much experience with mechanical keyboards? I do much better with just unicomp m-style buckling spring or cherry mx brown (real cherry, not the fake that some use).
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by Floegipoky on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:59AM (#35290928)
I'm curious what you found that helped alleviate your pain? For me it was the kinesis advantage.
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by patrickkidger on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:46AM (#35290644)
+1 to the sibling comments for a split keyboard option.

(Preferably a proper version with thumb clusters.)

At least for me, that would make this laptop a must-buy.

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by thomastjeffery on Thursday March 23, 2023 @09:03PM (#35283723)
There is a huge untapped market segment here. It's only a matter of time before someone makes it happen.

Honestly, I see the biggest problem that people have entering the ortholinear/ergonomic keyboard market is cost: the obvious choice is to target mechanical keyswitches, but you quickly realize your consumer base would rather pay more (in parts cost and construction effort) to get exactlty what they want.

But what if you went as cheap as possible instead? What if you made flat rubber dome boards that cost next to nothing to manufacture; and sold them for $40 a pop? You would probably broaden your target audience by a factor of 100, and have huge profit margins.

Doing that for an integrated laptop keyboard would be even easier to sell. I would gladly use shitty rubber dome switches if it meant having a split ortho layout that I didn't have to lug around separately from my laptop. I would buy that yesterday.

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by an_aparallel on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:15AM (#35285632)
Framework should beg Sensel for a blank touch surface...which you could press a couple of macro keys to entirely transform the surface with. users print out a custom layout to guide their fingers.../dream
Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by modderation on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:12AM (#35287123)
Agreed, I'd kill for a modern version of the TouchStream LP. Comfiest and quietest keyboard I've ever used, with no elbow strain from reaching for a mouse/trackpad. They even had a product that could replace a MacBook keyboard. [1]

That being said, the company was acquired by Apple and turned into the iPhone and iPod Touch. The keyboards were effectively museum pieces at that point. I wonder if the patent situation would allow for third parties to revisit the design. It'd be interesting to see what could be done with by borrowing ideas from the programmable keyboard community and mobile touch hardware.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FingerWorks

Re:Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more by Agingcoder on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:42PM (#35296674)
I wonder how many people bought one - I absolutely loved mine. Typing was unfortunately a bit slower on it, but at least I had no pain!