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Re:Google Bard enters open beta by ithkuil on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:19AM (#35247479)
But AI is their turf!

Google was always a ML company masquerading as a search engine.

I guess that the art of "generating text" is not their kind of AI?

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by zeven7 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:36AM (#35247708)
Right, my expectation was they had something better than OpenAI they were sitting on and afraid to release / didn't know how to make money with it and were essentially forced to show what they had once Chat GPT became a threat to search. I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe", but there's a reason for expectations to be high for Google here, and it really needs to clearly outperform Chat GPT in the same way GPT 4 clearly outperforms GPT 3.5.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:55AM (#35248010)
> I assume it's still possible they have something better and this is the nuked version that's "safe"

Its explicitly a smaller model to save on compute costs for scaling up to more users; but that’s a questionable decision given the situation with OpenAI’s accessible models and, if you are going to do that, why also do a slow-roll waitlist? I think both are signs of the kind of caution that will hurt Google in this market, even though the tech is near to the heart of what they do, the product isn’t, and they’ve gone very established-corp-cautious on products outside of their core.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by robwwilliams on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:34PM (#35256053)
DeepMind in their back pocket. LLMs need higher order supervisory logic and recursive attention/control systems. I suspect Hassabis and colleagues willl be able to wake LMMs from their semi-conscious dream states.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by Palpatineli on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:00PM (#35248083)
I mean they may have a better base model but if there is no business case, there is no resource to do RLHF with mass human labeling.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by muskmusk on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:10PM (#35251016)
In the olden days before Satya Nadella. Microsoft was a bloodsucking vampire of a company that couldn't execute anything of significance, but they had a pretty solid research department.

Google could ofcourse sit on a much better version that isn't safe or economic, but they could also just be unable to do better. Good research department, but unable to execute anything significant. Time will tell I guess :)

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by jstx1 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:36AM (#35247715)
Let's take it easy on them, they only wrote the paper on transformers and have access to more data than anybody else. I'm sure the people leading Google Brain and Deepmind had something else to do in the past few months.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by hn_20591249 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:52AM (#35247958)
Sounds like after the last decade and a half of Google flexing their AI muscle, maybe they are a search company masquerading as an AI company?
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by akomtu on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @07:08PM (#35254056)
It's a Ad Exchange (AdX) with many tentacles to hoard PII. Search is one of those tentacles, just as Android and Chrome.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by hbn on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:00PM (#35248073)
Google is an ad company.

ML just happens to be good for targeting ads.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by deltree7 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:21PM (#35255424)
Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle.

If Google Cloud was it's own company, it'd be a fortune 100 firm.

But you keep doing you, living with outdated information and grandma tales. I bet you'd still be telling this joke to your grandkids too

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by logicchains on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:33AM (#35258329)
>Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle.

What about their profits?

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by manojlds on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @04:29PM (#35252066)
The whole basis of current innovation is from Google, let's not forget.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by guardian5x on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:10AM (#35258581)
For me, Google was always an Ad company first. But don't get me wrong, they do some great research on the side for AI, like AlphaZero, AlphaGo, etc. But also been early with the Transformer models. There just seems to be a lack to put this into workable products lately.