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Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by kevingadd on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:52PM (#35226693)
My understanding is that the actual circumvention of protections on a copyrighted work is itself a crime under the DMCA, unless your use case is covered by an exemption. It's not a specific set of prohibited uses that doesn't include ML.

In short: "Section 103 (17 U.S.C Sec. 1201(a)(1)) of the DMCA states: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

So if Glaze is viewed as a protection measure, circumventing it would itself be a breach.

Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by dragonwriter on Sunday March 19, 2023 @11:31PM (#35226926)
If training LLMs on copyright protected art is itself Fair Use, then the motivating and only significant purpose of this is to adversely impact noninfringing uses. That’s the textbook reason for the Librarian of Congress to establish exemptions from the anti-circumvention rules, so even if as a legal hack that was effective initially, it wouldn’t be likely to last very long.
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by none_to_remain on Sunday March 19, 2023 @11:04PM (#35226765)
But I think whether this is a protection measure is undecided.
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by bawolff on Monday March 20, 2023 @03:11AM (#35228229)
I think it would be hard to argue it isn't. It is the only value that such a system could theoretically provide, so there is no other reason someone would use it. What would be the argument that it is not one?
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by alwayslikethis on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:25AM (#35228690)
How are you applying a filter or circumventing anything if you are simply training a brand new model with a bunch of "cloaked" images?
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by bawolff on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:47AM (#35228853)
Oh, i was thinking the scenario was more a specialized tool to remove the "glaze".

Hmm. That's a good point and now i am less sure.

I suspect it would come down to intentionality.

Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by none_to_remain on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:44AM (#35230679)
I looked at the definition in the law and it was unclear to me whether this technique met the definition. Among other things there's no "authorized deGlazing" to recover the original going on during human viewings. But there seemed to be enough leeway that maybe a judge could find a fit
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by michaelmrose on Sunday March 19, 2023 @11:58PM (#35227108)
Why would it need to specifically circumvent this instead of casually circumventing it simply by better mapping how the bits on a program map to how an image appears to the viewer?

if f(x)1011 and 1010 both "look" the same shouldn't a well designed AI learn equally well to recreate that particular look. It doesn't need a "deglaze" circumvention step it just needs a continually improving learning process that automatically accommodates both glazed and un-glazed images.

Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by kevingadd on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:12AM (#35227544)
Right, a tool explicitly designed and used to "deglaze" images would be different from a network that just happens to not be affected by glaze, I expect.
Re:Glaze (Poisoning AI Artists) by gpderetta on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:16AM (#35229051)
Keyword being "effectively". If routine cropping and resizing defeat it, then it is hardly effective.