It's not black or white. There are people in the startup ecosystem that are driven mainly by money and there are those more idealistic.

The startup industry is a great place for the people who are driven by money to prey on those that are idealistic, just like the game industry profits off of people who really like video games.

Hopefully now with more information available out there us workers can stand up more for ourselves and get more for the value of our labor and expertise!

I’m sorry, but no. Not anymore. Everything is run by being able to get money from VC investors, and to make money for them. It IS the main driver. Idealists learn pretty fast how their idealism won’t take them anywhere in Silicon Valley of 2023. Or they’re stupid or tone deaf enough to keep on going and thinking that their n-th to-do list app will change the world. I’m afraid I gotta break it to you, but your romanticized idea of Silicon Valley is dead in the water.

It can be the main driver for some, but not the only one for all :)

And the people who are mainly motivated by money greatly appreciate the second group. I think in poker jargon they're called "marks" (less politely, suckers).

Still, as a neutral observer to this, their sacrifice is greatly appreciated!

And they operate how, exactly? with the money of people who are in there for the money.

> Is this sarcasm?

No. I’m a long way — physically — from ‘the valley’, and I’m certainly not young.

When I say ‘HN’ I mean the day to day discussion on this site. I know there’s VC and whatnot here but really, mostly, that’s not what I’m reading. Perhaps I subconsciously avoid it?

I’m reading people who are passionate about technology. I’m reading nerds who love a new thing. That’s what brings me back here day after day.

You are making judgement calls on people's personalities based on not very much. HN is a public website, the discussions can be good and genuine and we can all be the same narcissistic psychopaths that are only here to accumulate HN karma that for some reason we value higher than money.

Or we can all be dogs, it's the internet and you have no idea. I'd start taking online communities with a bigger grain of salt.

I’ve been online since ‘94, don’t worry about me. I’ll figure it out eventually.

HN hasn't been geared towards VC startup founders for probably 10+ years. Compare the old HN, where PG still commented, to today's list of topics.