Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by Atsuii on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:11PM (#35130501)

There has been so many great reply to this comment already about how the lack of empathy is directed at the financial system itself rather than the small businesses and individuals directly impacted. The other thing that make it hard for me to have sympathy for a government backed solution is what makes these small companies and individuals anymore worthy of being 'bailed out' than any other small business that finds themselves unable to operate because of situations outside of their control or factored risk.

I don't see VC's and tech workers screaming for the government to step in when it's blue collar or service businesses failing. Thousands of small business with 5-20 people on payroll fail every year because of things outside of their direct control. I know small businesses that had to close doors because they got fucked over by things like landlords going bust and suppliers with half payments and no goods delivered collapsing. It's shitty for any small business to fail because of broader issues outside of their control, how is it fair to label this as anymore worthy of assistance?

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by Aperocky on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:43PM (#35130718)

The subject is wrong though, SVB isn't getting bailed out, their depositors are. At the end of the day, SVB as a bank would be no more/the ownership would be washed.

The depositor didn't do anything wrong, they had the full right to withdraw at anytime and they didn't make the decision to invest into long term illiquid low interest MBS in 2021.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by scruple on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:55PM (#35130804)

> The depositor didn't do anything wrong

They did if they deposited money above insured amounts.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by thecus on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:22AM (#35131441)

There are plenty of necessary reasons for business to have money in accounts above $250k. There should be no exposure here, this is the US banking system - bank deposits should be guaranteed by the entire system (not the taxpayer). Let the shareholders burn, fine... but cmon man, what does anyone get by letting depositors lost capital when placed in US banks?

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by scruple on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:55AM (#35131668)

> There are plenty of necessary reasons for business to have money in accounts above $250k

Sure, and they know what's insured and accept those risks.

> There should be no exposure here

Bullshit. There's a gradient here: There are some depositors who have $750k and others who have many millions. What many of them (the latter group) were doing here is simply bad financial practice. I have to do better with my personal finances. Why don't they, too? Because more people depend on them? That's pathetic, they should do better because people depend on them.

And let's not pretend like they don't have options. They do. The individuals (corporate officers) losing money here (hypothetically, since they're going to be made whole) are supposed to be competent leaders. They're showing the world their asses.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by briffle on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:32AM (#35131900)

Many employees had all their 401k tied up in enron too.. They were heavily encouraged by the employer, and it saw great gains for years. Doesn't mean that they should ignore financial advices and diversify to reduce risk...

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by psychlops on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:16AM (#35136862)

> bank deposits should be guaranteed by the entire system (not the taxpayer)

Where do you imagine this money ultimately comes from?

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by jsutton on Monday March 13, 2023 @06:43PM (#35144163)

The same place that took trillions of dollars in exchange for low-yielding treasury bonds. The same place that effectively devalued said treasury bonds when they decided to rapidly raise interest rates.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by tchened on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:33AM (#35132765)

do you expect a company with $100MM in the bank to bank with 4000 different banks in order to keep their cash secure and insured?

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by sethd on Monday March 13, 2023 @08:18AM (#35134674)

One could do that, but there's plenty of other options available to insure amounts above $250k.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by scruple on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:14PM (#35175975)

I expect them to explore their options, of which there are many, varied choices.

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Re:Joint Statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federa... by hackernewds on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:33AM (#35133248)

you don't see the govt support that kick started all of the inflation and following rate hikes. I agree with the sentiment, however we can't thumb our ears to the facts that the govt HAS taken extraordinary measures to prop up the non-taxed fraction, at the expense of the middle class this decade

https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans/covid-19-relief-o...

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