Re:Mark Cuban Had Millions at Silicon Valley Bank
by CPLX on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:29PM
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Also Mark Cuban:
“The tragedy of SVB is that its not the wealthy taking the hit. It's the thousands of companies who borrowed from SVB and were required to keep their cash in SVB. Those entrepreneurs and their employees and vendors are feeling the pain. And they are who the Fed should protect”
Re:Mark Cuban Had Millions at Silicon Valley Bank
by credit_guy on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:00PM
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I'm not sure those "thousands of companies" described will take a loss.
The situation Mark Cuban talks about works like this: most small/medium companies finance themselves with a bank loan (and equity). The bank loan is reviewed periodically (e.g. annually), and renewed appropriately. The loan is used to pay employees, suppliers, and for other expenses. The amount of the loan, is held at the same bank. It doesn't need to be strictly speaking, but a bank does not like to advance you a loan, so you can take it, cash it and deposit it at a different bank.
Ok, so now a company has a loan (asset for the bank, liability for the company) and a deposit (liability for the bank, asset for the company). The amounts don't match perfectly, due to ongoing payments and receipts.
Now, there's something called "netting agreement". The Fed has a short intro on that [1]. I don't know if every single company has one set up, but going forward they should think hard if they decide to not set it up.
If you have such a netting agreement and the bank fails to pay you on the deposit, then the amount you owe them on the loan decreases dollar for dollar. Of course, it's still inconvenient for you in terms of day to day operations, but in the end you should not lose money. You should not have any issues to start banking with a different bank, if you can show them the netting agreement.
Re:Mark Cuban Had Millions at Silicon Valley Bank
by calr on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:26PM
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Agree, this does not matter to Mark Cuban and certainly not us. Mark is gonna be fine even in the absolute worst case where the money is locked up for years, and he takes a 20% haircut on his modest deposit. This crisis is for businesses that need access to their money now to pay wages and bills.
Re:Mark Cuban Had Millions at Silicon Valley Bank
by yucky on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:52PM
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It's important for everyone to know that our tax dollars will be used and/or the value of our meager assets will be inflated away in order to soften the loss for people like Mark Cuban.
Re:Mark Cuban Had Millions at Silicon Valley Bank
by ChancyChance on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:45PM
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If I run a company that has a payroll of millions, where do I keep that cash until I can issue all the checks? It's not like I'm going to sell a bunch of bonds every two weeks to meet payroll. I'll never have to worry about this, but with the tiny bit I've learned in the few days... now I'm curious to understand how large amounts of cash are kept on hand for situations like this.
“The tragedy of SVB is that its not the wealthy taking the hit. It's the thousands of companies who borrowed from SVB and were required to keep their cash in SVB. Those entrepreneurs and their employees and vendors are feeling the pain. And they are who the Fed should protect”
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1634427092824629251?s=20
The situation Mark Cuban talks about works like this: most small/medium companies finance themselves with a bank loan (and equity). The bank loan is reviewed periodically (e.g. annually), and renewed appropriately. The loan is used to pay employees, suppliers, and for other expenses. The amount of the loan, is held at the same bank. It doesn't need to be strictly speaking, but a bank does not like to advance you a loan, so you can take it, cash it and deposit it at a different bank.
Ok, so now a company has a loan (asset for the bank, liability for the company) and a deposit (liability for the bank, asset for the company). The amounts don't match perfectly, due to ongoing payments and receipts.
Now, there's something called "netting agreement". The Fed has a short intro on that [1]. I don't know if every single company has one set up, but going forward they should think hard if they decide to not set it up.
If you have such a netting agreement and the bank fails to pay you on the deposit, then the amount you owe them on the loan decreases dollar for dollar. Of course, it's still inconvenient for you in terms of day to day operations, but in the end you should not lose money. You should not have any issues to start banking with a different bank, if you can show them the netting agreement.
[1] https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/microsites/fmlg/file...
I'll sleep better tonight.
MaxSafe - https://www.wintrust.com/business-solutions/mid-market/banki...
A cash management account - https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/what-is-a-cash-manage...
Or
Many banks participate in IntraFi
https://www.intrafinetworkdeposits.com/how-it-works/