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Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by bnralt on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:08PM (#35124728)
To further this, a lot of people (see Sam Altman, for example[1]) are saying the federal government should give depositors all of their money bank, and don't seem to care at all about what this would mean in the long run. Is the FDIC now insuring all deposits in the U.S. for an unlimited amount? What would the implications of that be?

Maybe there should be changes made to help protect depositors more, but instead of a collected and rational conversation about how we'll treat deposits going forward we're getting glib "just give these people there money back, they don't deserve this" responses. Of course these things are tragedies, but the degree to which the federal government assists people in these situations is a complex discussion, and we have to come up with a consistent approach.

People are asking about salty response, but this kind of cavalier attitude toward the financial system from supposedly serious thought leaders is a bit alarming.

[1] https://twitter.com/sama/status/1634958179657449475

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by geodel on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:28PM (#35124995)
Was it Muhammad Ali who said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"?

Seems to me all these "disruptors", "thought leaders", "visionaries" are disrupted and their plan to deal with this is nowhere to be seen.

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by FireBy2024 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:57PM (#35125398)
Mike Tyson
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by dctoedt on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:58PM (#35125406)
> Was it Muhammad Ali who said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"?

It was Mike Tyson - https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/fl-xpm-2012-11-09-sfl-mi...

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by TheGrassyKnoll on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:36PM (#35126605)
Mike Tyson, the epitome of sound fiscal management. ($300 million lifetime earnings, had to declare bankruptcy)
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by Apocryphon on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:57PM (#35126822)
Sounds like he’s in the perfect position to know the fruits of such errors.
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by bushbaba on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:06PM (#35125510)
The 250k limit should be inflation adjusted. It’s not been raised since 2008. If inflation adjusted the FDIC insurance would be closer to 350k
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by jjav on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:58AM (#35132072)
> The 250k limit should be inflation adjusted. It’s not been raised since 2008. If inflation adjusted the FDIC insurance would be closer to 350k

That 100k difference wouldn't make any difference here though, since the problem is for businesses (startups mostly) who had accounts there.

The 250K insurance limit seems quite reasonable for individual personal accounts per bank. But applying the same limit to a whole company which may well have more than 250K in payroll per month... well there's a problem.

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by theLiminator on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:03PM (#35126262)
Maybe the fed should open a bank for deposits that's guaranteed but provides either till interest or zero interest.

It's pretty ridiculous for people to need to judge whether their bank is fiscally sound.

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by deathhand on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:34PM (#35126587)
Are your computers and networks secure?

If you operate in 1% space of wealth there are and should be risks. Making everything the lowest common denominator literally leaves us with Camacho for president.

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by dlubarov on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:20PM (#35127981)
Why should there be risks? If someone just wants to park some cash without it possibly disappearing, that seems like a solvable problem. E.g. as the parent said, central banks could simply offer accounts to anybody.
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by thanksgiving on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:41PM (#35128254)
> Maybe the fed should open a bank for deposits that's guaranteed but provides either tbill interest or zero interest.

> It's pretty ridiculous for people to need to judge whether their bank is fiscally sound.

This is a great idea. We should look into this more.

iirc three researchers asked this same question back in 2018.

> A potential policy recommendation was posed in 2018 by three researchers, two of whom worked in the Treasury Department. Under their proposal, the Federal Reserve would offer the option to all individuals and businesses in the United States to open a bank account, termed a “Fed Account,” with the Federal Reserve itself, providing an alternative to private banks or credit unions. Such an option could have significant effects on a wide array of monetary and economic issues.

https://econreview.berkeley.edu/fed-accounts-and-the-right-t...

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by mycall on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:28PM (#35127130)
If I had $1M stored in SVB, I would have 4 accounts with $250k each. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by blep_ on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:31PM (#35127176)
The limit is per depositor * bank, not per account.
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by ww520 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:08PM (#35127788)
You’ll just be the depositor four times, once per account. It’s per account at the end.
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by mlyle on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:33PM (#35128889)
No... if the same depositor + ownership structure owns 4 accounts, the total insurance is $250,000, not $250,000 x 4.
Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by sokoloff on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:52PM (#35128394)
Per person, per bank, per account ownership category.

https://www.fdic.gov/resources/deposit-insurance/brochures/i...

If you had a single-owner account and a joint account, you would have $250K in insurance for each of those accounts.

Re:Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules... by FireBeyond on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:09PM (#35127800)
Yeah, there was a lot of balls to Sam's post, "many of the relevant people in government don't understand the magnitude of this"? Like the FDIC? I think they understand plenty. That's very specifically why they don't communicate with the bank before they take it over, that's why as many people have seen and been impressed with, they come in with almost surgical precision and take things over and work (literally) around the clock, realizing every hour, day counts, and get this stuff sorted.

No Sam, it was people like you who underplayed the magnitude of this, and are now panicking, and looking for a bailout, and are entirely unable to justify why of the several hundred or more banks FDIC has closed (though one of the larger ones), SVB should be special, beyond "well, it's MY money".