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Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by amacneil on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:07PM (#35113285)
Sure they could. To put it in perspective, thousands of companies are unable to pay their employees and vendors this week due to the SVB collapse.

It does not seem unreasonable that SVB employee bonuses for "great job done in 2022" should have been delayed given the clear evidence on Thursday that the bank was imploding.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by danpalmer on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:15PM (#35113341)
The perspective is not lost on me, I just think it's completely unrealistic on multiple fronts: it's a tiny fraction of the money, it's executed on a very different timeline and potentially not possible to stop (certainly not easy, HR may not even talk to treasury), and it may be against their contracts.

In jobs like this bonuses are also not just "great job" money, they're a predictable part of compensation that people depend on.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by npunt on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:38PM (#35113531)
I appreciate the complexity of the unwind, and that many employees may not have had a direct hand in the risk that SVB accrued, but I think there's a bigger picture at play.

Banks are supposed to be one of the bedrocks upon which the economy rests and they are given certain privileges (like access to low interest rates ordinary people cannot get) as part of that role. Its clear the financial sector needs to have an extremely close eye on it to not cause all sorts of destruction across the economy, which it still manages to do pretty regularly out of a fun mix of short-termism, stupidity, and greed.

So from a signaling perspective, if the org is sitting on a lot of risk and employees may have benefitted during the accrual of that risk, shouldn't they also face consequences? Wouldn't that cause each employee in a bank to pay some more attention to the fundamentals of the org, to put pressure on any situation where large risk accrual happens? Wouldn't that cause the internal structure of banks to change so that more eyes were on these large risk accrual moments, because talented people wouldn't join unless they knew their livelihoods weren't at risk by one bad decision? Regulations can't be the only form of pressure for banks to not fuck up.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by scns on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:33PM (#35113929)
This might be the best comment regarding the financial system i have read to date.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by VagueMag on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:41PM (#35114001)
In the U.S. there used to be a system called "double liability" where bank shareholders could be assessed up to the par value of their stock for money needed to make depositors whole in the event of a failure.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by mbreese on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:37PM (#35113526)
> and it may be against their contracts

Those contracts are with a company that doesn’t exist anymore… so I’m not sure that’s a good argument.

I get that this is part of the compensation that people rely on (I’ve seen Christmas Vacation), but it’s a really bad look. Paying out bonuses right before your company is taken over by the Feds is a horrible PR image. Regardless of if it is the right thing to do or not.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by dylan604 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:59PM (#35113664)
>Those contracts are with a company that doesn’t exist anymore

the company existed when the payment was made though, so why would your comment anything at the time of the payouts?

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by ssss11 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:19PM (#35113377)
Sorry but it’s as simple as a directive to the person who clicks “Pay Now” to not do that yet.

A predictable part of compensation is being paid your regular wage on time and for many clients of SVB this is probably not possible this week coming.

They should have halted the bonuses.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by danpalmer on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:24PM (#35113425)
It's not always that simple. Making several thousand payments totalling as much as $100m is not "clicking a button". The process of making those transfers could be days or even weeks long. Payroll processes and the actual transacting involved typically take at least a few days.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by deepsun on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:32PM (#35113481)
I clicked that "Pay Now" button in my business. Nothing really that complex there, once the amounts are calculated (usually by automated programs). The rest is just regular ACH transfers, which take 2 business days to clear.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by JumpCrisscross on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:47PM (#35113595)
> process of making those transfers could be days or even weeks long

Every payroll processor worth their salt has a big red abort button. Worst case: funds hit flagged and are then reversed.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by thanksgiving on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:09PM (#35113746)
Screw that. If the recipient of the bonus is CXO level or higher, I’d say the government has a duty to claw back this money.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by danpalmer on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:40PM (#35113986)
For that I would agree! They're directly responsible for this mess.

However almost every bonus is not a CXO bonus, and I think clawing those back would be the wrong decision, and could be quite harmful to many.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by shadowgovt on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:08PM (#35113737)
Why?
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by candiodari on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:06PM (#35128568)
No reason at all, obviously after bankruptcy is declared contractual obligations to pay mean nothing until the courts decide on what they mean ... which is never 100%.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by dehrmann on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:25PM (#35113426)
Yeah. HR had most likely started the final bonus payout process before they knew about the bank's situation. This was just a coincidence of timing.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by coldtea on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:34PM (#35113501)
This surely takes "charitable intepretation" to a whole new level!
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by tssva on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:14PM (#35113783)
Since the article itself states that the payout of the bonuses was scheduled for March 10th in advance of the current situation it doesn't seem to.

I got my bonus for 2022 paid out on March 3rd. Everyone in my company knew the bonus payout date months ago.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by wise_young_man on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:41PM (#35115870)
It always is a coincidence isn’t it. Isn’t that unfortunate.
Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by TomSwirly on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:09AM (#35119644)
> I just think it's completely unrealistic on multiple fronts:

Somehow, it's always unrealistic, and somehow, these scenarios always repeat.

> it's a tiny fraction of the money,

No, allowing people to steal is a moral hazard no matter how much money it is.

Suppose I steal a $1000 TV from WalMart, and use the argument that this is a tiny fraction of their profits. No one would buy that.

So why should we buy that when it's orders of magnitude more money?

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by dragonwriter on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:12PM (#35128643)
> HR may not even talk to treasury.

HR, especially in places where they don’t talk to treasury, may have the power to request for payments to be made but they aren’t likely to have the ability to approve or authorize payments.

Re:Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure by FireBeyond on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:57PM (#35113652)
"in retrospect, we have significant doubts about the job you did in 2022".