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Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by theptip on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:22PM (#35110440)
It seems fairly easy to bake a chain of custody into your images. Sensor outputs a signed raw image, AI outputs a different signed “touched up” image. We can afford to keep both in this hypothetical future; use whichever one you want.

Once generative AI really takes off we will need some system for unambiguously proving where an image/video came from; the solution is quite obvious in this case and many have sketched it already.

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by jfim on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:55PM (#35110782)
Until some PM says "why do we have both images, our data shows that 99.5% of users don't use the raw image, let's remove that feature."
Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by theptip on Saturday March 11, 2023 @02:00PM (#35111416)
And the answer is “spam filters and AI personal curation agents will drop any image without chain of custody from every feed that claims to be about reality”.

In a world where any image or video can be generated, chain of custody to a real-world ground-truth will be vitally important.

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by namtab00 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:35PM (#35112974)
I've been saying this to myself too many times now...

This will become indispensable sooner than anyone imagines or wants it to.

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by johnmaguire on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:47PM (#35115908)
Will film cameras see a revival?
Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by theptip on Sunday March 12, 2023 @02:31PM (#35124170)
I think anything analog is going to be suspect; you can take a photo of a digital image and it could look like a real analog image.

Absent a chain of custody (perhaps including GPS baked into the signed image data blob), I think analog artifacts will become untrustable. Unless you can physically date them to pre-generative era!

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by tonymillion on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:26PM (#35113432)
Simple solution: keep the raw image and AI it on the fly (this is a hypothetical future remember)

Bonus feature: new display devices get better trained / new AI features for free

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by account42 on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:45AM (#35133358)
So now not only are there AI-imagined details in your images but those details are also different depending on which device the image is viewed on. Lovely.
Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by tonymillion on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @12:04AM (#35147307)
Or no AI enhancements, since you have the raw photo sensor data, even better you can pick your own AI algorithms to apply to the image.

E.g. from the raw data we know the sensor, we can train a specific AI to enhance the image from the known physical properties of the CCD

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by cyanydeez on Saturday March 11, 2023 @07:37PM (#35114801)
In a functional government, that data is mandated And regulated
Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by bayindirh on Saturday March 11, 2023 @01:01PM (#35110823)
The images generated by SLR and mirrorless cameras are already signed with device embedded keys during EXIF embedding. Every manufacturer sells such verification systems to law enforcement or other institutions to verify such images.

Sometimes there are exploits which extract these keys from the cameras themselves, but I don't hear them nowadays.

One of the older products: https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/software/img_auth/index.htm

Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by 7jjjjjjj on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:34PM (#35113505)
Then someone takes a photo of their TV screen. Presto, instant chain of custody for any image you want!
Re:Samsung “space zoom” moon shots are fake, and here is the... by theptip on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:51PM (#35127495)
It’s a fair point but with high enough resolution (and perhaps GPS baked into the trusted data) I suspect it would be very hard to actually forge a digital image from an analog source.

Likewise depth fields and other potential forms of sensor augmentation.