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Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by andsoitis on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:14AM (#35108885)
I see. So useful for companies who are considered too high risk for "regular big banks" --- but they're all clumping together so it should be your second choice, only if you couldn't get a loan from a regular big bank.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by xoogler2004 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:24AM (#35108997)
No. SVB was not a bank for high risk people. They were the 16th largest bank in the United States. They were a regular commercial bank. First Republic, Northern Trust, etc are all very large banks that cater to specific clientele.

It’s not that they catered to high risk clients it’s that they understood that the definition of risk was not universal. What may look risky to Bank of America isn’t actually more risky if you know the nuances of startups.

Or put another way, the odds that a new commercial Bank of America company goes on to become a 10 billion dollar company is probably 1 in a billion. The odds that an SVB customer would go on to become one is probably 1 in a thousand.

But the important thing is that SVB didn’t fail because of bad credit or bad loans - something you’d expect from riskier clients. SVB’s problem was that they had more deposits and cash than they could handle, they literally had too much money and the fed has raised interest rates too fast for them to absorb.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by andsoitis on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:29AM (#35109055)
> more deposits and cash than they could handle

Do you know why couldn't they handle it? Banks usually have to manage their Credit, Interest Rate, Liquidity, Price, Foreign Exchange, Transaction, Compliance, Strategic and Reputation. So I wonder whether SVB just wasn't sophisticated enough to handle these risks.

If they're the 16th largest bank in the US, it seems to me that they should have had the chops to "handle" large amounts of cash...

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by s1artibartfast on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:39AM (#35109158)
It is unclear if any other bank could have handled it either.

It took two factors.

3x the money you bank in 2021 specifically

Have well networked clients that carry out a bank run together.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by skeeter2020 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:27AM (#35109753)
Three things I can see:

1. way more deposits than they historically managed, with no-where good to put it.

2. failure to do what banks do, which is arbitrage their position, putting a huge amount into long-term low interest bonds

3. looking for loopholes in liquidity & stress tests, and reporting exemptions that might have raised earlier alarms

#3 is inexecusable but the other points are in the "bad at your job" category.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by velcrovan on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:29AM (#35109058)
Their problem was that they tied up too much of their money in illiquid low-yield bonds. Pure mismanagement.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by skeeter2020 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:29AM (#35109788)
this is the ultimate cause, but they also used loopholes to avoid reporting obligations other banks complete, and did not highlight the liquidity issues or stress-test that say... increased withdrawals might highlight. These aspects should be investigated deeper.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by ianbotham on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:06PM (#35116041)
agree. it's always such systemic / procedural lapses that allow problems to go unnoticed
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by s1artibartfast on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:33AM (#35109104)
It's not even about getting a loan.

It is about having a company checking account for payroll and somewhere your investors can put money.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by Eric_WVGG on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:20AM (#35108942)
I don’t think it’s so much “high risk” as it is “non-traditional.” In a normal new business, you have a factory, and all the machinery is assets, and if it goes under you can sell the physical trucks and widget presses.

That’s just not how America has worked for a long time now, and I don’t think most folks would describe American businesses as any riskier than in say Serbia.

This isn’t a “bad guy” story, as far as I can tell.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by JohnFen on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:31AM (#35109080)
> This isn’t a “bad guy” story, as far as I can tell.

I agree. There are no bad guys here. There's just a bank that took and chance and it bit them.

Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by brookst on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:54AM (#35109340)
If there are bad guys it’s the VCs who coordinated the bank run. Even still, each of them was acting rationally and not maliciously, but they’re all savvy enough to know that racing for the exits is going to kill the bank.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by ashwagary on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:57PM (#35113201)
If SVB's activity can be described as "yield chasing", there is no way clients, whatever their actions were, deserve more blame than the management.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by brookst on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:18AM (#35116933)
Eh, if “clients” and “management” were totally distinct, I’d agree. My understanding, and I’d welcome correction from those more knowledgeable, is that the SVB was hardly independent from the VC powerhouses.
Re:Startups that use Silicon Valley Bank are freaking out ov... by varispeed on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:23AM (#35108981)
> I don’t think it’s so much “high risk” as it is “non-traditional.”

Funny how tables have turned recently. Now it's other way around more often. If your start up is actually manufacturing something, a physical item, the banks deem the business as non traditional... Go figure...