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Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by cruntly on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:17PM (#35100301)
If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime. Just because it happens on a computer in cyber space, doesn't mean it's not real.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by sigg3 on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:20PM (#35100359)
Cracking software doesn't warrant hard prison sentences. That's a double negative for society.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by cruntly on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:24PM (#35100419)
He ruined the lives of many hard-working software developers who relied on selling their code to feed their families.

This was back when programming was a highly skilled and difficult job that only a few could do, so cracking was even more harshly targeting people.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by 2636381321 on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:31PM (#35100522)
More like telling the whole world "you're not allowed to copy this, because I wrote it" and threatening everyone with imprisonment or fines if you do. So everyone has to buy it through him, or else. To feed his family.

That is what copyright law fundamentally is.

We all learn from other people, just because I came up with an idea, I cannot tell other people "you're not allowed to use it". It violates other peoples natural right to autonomy to do so.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by kube-system on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:39PM (#35100654)
> just because I came up with an idea, I cannot tell other people "you're not allowed to use it".

You're right, ideas are not protected by copyright.

Copyright only protects original works of authorship.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by cruntly on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:35PM (#35100608)
Yes and that's why copyright is a good thing, so you have the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of your intellectual labour.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by beardedwizard on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:29PM (#35100496)
Can you really point to a single other person whose life was ruined other than the guy who went to prison?
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by vkou on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:54PM (#35100876)
Their lives weren't 'ruined', just like nobody's life is 'ruined' when someone (over multiple trips) shoplifts a few thousand (or tens of thousands of) dollars worth of goods from a large store chain.

But someone, somewhere along the way did lose some amount of money.

The fact that the sentence was only 18 months reflects that, somewhat.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by Clubber on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:38PM (#35100645)
I like how companies conned the government to enforce what used to be a civil matter into a criminal matter. They don't even have to write a cease and desist letter. Evil genius.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by xtracto on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:47PM (#35100794)
I dont agree with Copyright and also dont think the punishment was deserved. I also did some cracking and keygens in the 90s (for fun, never released anything).

Nevertheless, my making argument against doing and condoning what this guy did is that, because of those type of actions today we have to deal with SaaS only software that is subscription based and stops working after the company folds (I can still use my Win16 copy of GetRight, thankyou very much).

We got into this sad state because of greed, from both sides of the counter.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by reassembled on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:07PM (#35101076)
Is that quantifiable and verifiable? Are there interviews with software devs whose business was measurably effected by piracy to the point where their life was “ruined”? Genuinely curious to know.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by nyolfen on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:21PM (#35101259)
i challenge you to identify a single actual human whose life he "ruined"
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by smokeypanda on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:22PM (#35101270)
That's a rather presumptive over-simplification of what effect software cracking had and has on employed programmers' livelihoods. It's not a direct 1 to 1 relationship between a cracked installation and lost sale, nor does piracy prevention guarantee market relevance. I don't condone consuming pirated software when OSS alternatives exist, but that's not out of sympathy to tech megacorps.

http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by coretx on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:32PM (#35101392)
No, for a fact, he MADE the lives of such families. If your small time software does not end up being PRE'd somewhere; it doesn't exist. Without the marketing budget of large corporates; you could just forget about competing with them.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by burnished on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:25PM (#35100423)
Full stop that should not be a criminal offense. Jailing that man for that sentence does not serve justice.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by cruntly on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:29PM (#35100500)
Why not?
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by bentley on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:38PM (#35100647)
Why not life in prison?
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by burnished on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:31PM (#35101383)
It sounds like you need to spend some time doing some soul searching.

What do you think is served by that sentence of jail time? Disregarding that I think the law in question is outrageous - why is jail time an appropriate punishment? Is it fitting to imprison some one on the dubious claim that they impacted your profits? It does not seem to be a fitting or appropriate punishment, it seems to be ghoulish overkill to scare people from fucking with the money.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by unity1001 on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:25PM (#35100420)
> If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime

The same thing was told by the persecutors of those who smuggled slaves from the South to their freedom.

Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by cruntly on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:28PM (#35100483)
The crackers were in the wrong both in that scenario and in this one.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by yesenadam on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:46PM (#35101554)
Hilarious comment, thank you. :-)
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by BLKNSLVR on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:55PM (#35101690)
Whilst I disagree with your black and white stance on copyright and punishment for breach, this comment is pretty darn funny.
Re:Shane Pitman, leader of the warez group Razor 1911: life ... by la_oveja on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:04PM (#35101043)
We will copy until the end of time.