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Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by wpietri on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:07AM (#35094439)
I suppose I should have been more specific. I can believe people will be using this. I'm just not yet seeing how it will make things net better. So yes, academic cheaters will surely be trying to use it, although we'll see whether they actually succeed.

But continuing with your analogy, I'll note that the people who fight financial crimes and fraud have absolutely had to integrate responses to cryptocurrencies. That didn't prove that there was lasting value to the cryptocurrency hype wave.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by simonw on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:34AM (#35094737)
I used it to release some software that used AppleScript to export data from Apple Notes, starting from zero knowledge of AppleScript two hours earlier: https://til.simonwillison.net/gpt3/chatgpt-applescript
Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by wpietri on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:05AM (#35095173)
Thanks for the example.

I will note that you didn't use it for most of the coding. And that looking at your code, you also seem perfectly capable of figuring out the AppleScript if you had wanted to. In an amount of time that would not have wildly increased the total project time.

So overall, this looks very "stone soup" to me. Did it get you over a hump? Surely. Did it actually contribute much in terms of code? Not from what I see in your script.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by pixl97 on Friday March 10, 2023 @02:04PM (#35099318)
Not op, but this seems like a particularly weird take...

I do support work myself, and our developers have a function that is broken and shoving too much stuff into the database. This crap is compiled into a DLL so I can't do anything about directly. Went to GPT and said "hey, I have a table named X, when Y updates write a trigger that deletes this"

In a few seconds it dumps out a working trigger. Now, I've never written one of these before, dong SQL stuff isn't really my forte, but with a basic understanding of what I needed done I got working code with an explanation faster than I could parse the how to.

Even if AI doesn't contribute more than that, for lots of use cases it's more than enough.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by wpietri on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:55PM (#35101696)
Sure, I totally believe you found it valuable, and it's great that it helped you solve your problem. As with simonw, it sounds like it got you over a hump. One you could have gotten over on your own, but maybe you didn't want to or couldn't take the time. But in both cases, what GPT coughed up was a dead end in development terms. It's not like you could just ask it to fix your app or to replace your app.

This sort of reminds me of the 3d-printing hype cycle. People were very excited! We could make any object! We could soon be 3d-printing 3d printers! But in practice, 3d printing is now mostly useful for small, marginally valuable stuff. That's not nothing; I have friends who are excited about their 3d printers. But I also have friends who are excited about woodworking and accordion playing and falconry. But none of these are particularly world-changing.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by simonw on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:34PM (#35102846)
Aha! Yeah I see where you're coming from now. There's a huge amount of hype around this stuff which is completely unjustified: it's not going to replace programmers! It's (hopefully) not going to put vast numbers of people out of work.

My interest in it is this: given this (flawed) technology exists, what are the things we can use it for that are genuinely useful and help us build interesting things that we may not have built before.

I've been finding an increasing number of areas where it gives me a 10-30% productivity boost... and a few areas like the above one where that tips me from "not going to do that project" to "doing that project". Those are what's exciting to me, far away from the breathless hype around this stuff.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by wpietri on Saturday March 11, 2023 @10:37AM (#35109136)
Yes, exactly. This article is about how Google wants to put this into everything. "A new internal directive requires 'generative artificial intelligence' to be incorporated into all of its biggest products within months." I think a lot of people are skipping the "what are the things we can use it for that are genuinely useful" step. Glad to see people actually doing that, so thanks for explaining further.
Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by simonw on Friday March 10, 2023 @02:07PM (#35099352)
I absolutely would not have created that project if I had to spend several frustrating hours trying to figure out AppleScript in order to get started.

So in this case the leg-up that GPT gave me was the difference between the project existing and it not existing at all.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by wpietri on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:42PM (#35101512)
I get that. But for these sort of "stone soup" use cases, it's not really a technology for creating software. It's a technology for helping people manage feelings. That's surely a valuable thing, but that's very much not what it's being sold as.
Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by barrysteve on Saturday March 11, 2023 @04:31AM (#35106841)
Last night I used chatgpt to assist in some C++ game code. It could suggest a lot of plausible looking examples of specific functions. When attempting to implement the code in c++, gpt revealed that it does not understand typed parameters for basic functions.

It would suggest an incorrect type as an input to a constructor and if you ask it to correct the error, it simply suggests another conceptually similar type to fit in, which also throws an error upon compilation.

A modified chatgpt that was bound under the hood, to a strict set of rules about the structure of c++ and it's relationships, could do much better. The bot gives a strong intuitive sense that we have only solved half or a third of a potential revolution in programming, with more to come.

Re:Google dusts off the failed Google+ playbook to fight Cha... by travisjungroth on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:19AM (#35095409)
> I can believe people will be using this.

You should start believing people are using this.

People are comparing LLM hype to crypto and VR hype and that’s really not accurate. Those are both always in a state of “someone is using it now, and a ton of people will use it in the future”. ChatGPT is in a state of “a ton of people are using it now”.

It would remind me of the explosion of social networking, except it doesn’t have network effects! It’s crazy how much it’s getting used by all sorts of people not because they want to interact with their friends (messaging apps) but just because they want to use it.

I was a big AI and even just generally ML doubter until I started using it as part of my workflow and reading about how other people are, too. At that point, you kinda have to update your priors.