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Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by aussiegreenie on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:32PM (#35087774)
Why?? Banks are *VERY* safe.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by shadowofneptune on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:39PM (#35087848)
Looking at the FDIC website:

> The FDIC does NOT cover (even if purchased at an insured bank):

    Stock investments
    Bond investments
    Mutual funds
    Life insurance policies
    Annuities
    Municipal securities
    Safe deposit boxes or their contents
    U.S. Treasury bills, bonds or note
This article is about the bank's bonds, if I read it correctly. Safe for a household does not mean safe for a company that lives on investment money.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:41PM (#35087865)
There's an equivalent for securities, the SIPC. It's capped like FDIC insurance is, but bonds/stocks have some protection in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_Investor_Protection...

Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by shadowofneptune on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:43PM (#35087881)
Ah, I see. Looks like it still only has a limit of 250,000 USD, which seems low for modern business. How far would that get some of these companies?
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by slg on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:17PM (#35088242)
Aren't most (all?) of those clearly owned and register to the individual regardless of which bank holds them? If the bank holding my stock goes out of business, it is still my stock. It doesn't just evaporate with the bank unless there is some fraud involved. Some other bank will swoop in to buy those accounts and my stock will move there.

The main concern here is likely less about straight-up losing any of those investments and more the huge headache that comes with being unable to access your money while the whole process plays out.

Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by iancarroll on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:19PM (#35088265)
The bank can take your cash deposits and invest them, which is the problem occurring with SVB. In this case, your deposits are still insured via FDIC.

If you buy investment products from a bank, and they hold those for you, those are not insured via FDIC.

Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by ender341341 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:40PM (#35087850)
Speed, if all your money disappears tomorrow you may miss payroll while you're waiting for the FDIC to get you your money.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by jhallenworld on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:06PM (#35088127)
There is a legal process to get your money, so you can guess that this is not going to be quick. I remember stories about this after 2008.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:38PM (#35087837)
Bank collapses cause disruption, and potential loss of balances over the FDIC limits. A well-funded startup really doesn't want their money in a failing bank.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by UncleOxidant on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:44PM (#35087890)
One can imagine that a startup might have more than the $250K FDIC limit in the bank. I think that's what they're being advised of: Get under the $250K limit ASAP.
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by orangepurple on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:15PM (#35088217)
Also multiple banks might be under one FDIC account so you have to check that too
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by gumby on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:45PM (#35087903)
Most portfolio companies have more than the FDIC limit. My preference is to have 2-3 months in cash, the rest in commercial paper (which would not be threatened by the bank failure, but did "break the buck" in 2008). In the early stage 2-3 months of cash is much less than the FDIC limit, but later on that could change.

I've been using SVB since the mid 90s, but most recently chose First Republic instead. FR poached some of the great SVB people anyway so it wasn't a huge change.

FWIW, SVB got into trouble in the 80s due to their real estate practice. They stuck to their knitting after that (except they kept their wine practice, which is small and I guess amusing) so I find this situation rather interesting.

Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by jbverschoor on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:51PM (#35088562)
You mean the great people who moved to FR poached you away ;)
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by capableweb on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:51PM (#35087958)
Well, they're safe until they aren't. Bank runs have happened, and more of them will in the future. Nothing is 100% although using banks is probably the safest storage for funds, if you compare...
Re:VC firms are urging founders to pull money from troubled ... by drewda on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:47PM (#35088527)
In September 2008, I was in Amsterdam for a conference. I remember waking up and seeing a TV in the hotel lobby with the cable news headline about the receivership of Washington Mutual. It was a little bit of a strange feeling to realize that when I had left California I had personal and business accounts with WaMu — and when I returned to the US, my accounts were all with Chase. For what it's worth, it was a seamless transition. I don't remember any hiccups with accessing cash, using debit cards, and so on.