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Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by alexjplant on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @07:40PM (#35076840)
I use an EV ND96 for videoconferencing at work because I have a loud cat and live next to the train tracks and need a mic with a tight pattern. I tend to eat the mic so I've always had a bit of the "voice of God" thing going with the proximity effect bit after enough people said they were impressed with it I took it a step further. I now goose the lows a bit, gate enough to reduce noise, and apply a moderate amount of compression using my interface's DSP. People seem to love the way it sounds and it seems to fit my midrange-heavy voice.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by mulmen on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:26PM (#35077225)
This is the remote work equivalent of taking a pill to make yourself a 6 foot tall white guy.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by jagged-chisel on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:11PM (#35077560)
Except the pill doesn’t work. No one can observe that the intended digital effect isn’t true to life.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by mulmen on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:39PM (#35077747)
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Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by _rs on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:07PM (#35077537)
Curious, which interface do you use and how do you apply the effects? I’ve done this with varying degrees of success but always ends up introducing too much latency
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by alexjplant on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:16PM (#35077594)
I use a MOTU [1] which runs this stuff on its own DSP and is configurable from a desktop app. You could also use a hardware solution in the form of a channel strip but decent ones start approaching a mid-range interface like my MOTU in price so the value proposition is dicey at best IMHO.

At one point I had the wild idea of building a Series 500 chassis with discrete signal processors instead but shelling out $1500 for such only for _videoconferencing_ (and occasional recording) would have been completely irresponsible.

[1] https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Ultralite5--motu-ult...

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by _rs on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:26PM (#35077669)
Ah ok. I have an interface I really like already, was hoping there might be a software solution that doesn’t add so much latency. Thanks for the link though
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by ace2358 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:12PM (#35077919)
As a music producer where is all the latency coming from? I can run my daw with <10ms latency with a few simple effects on it.

What software are you using / what workflow?

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by TylerE on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:58PM (#35078183)
Generally USB lag, plus the OS not running in real time mode, like using bog standard Windows Audio instead of ASIO
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by vintagedave on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:54AM (#35080683)
I was hoping for software too. Mostly because I don't have the understanding for a hardware tool like that: I have a decent-ish low-end mic (Blue Yeti, a USB mic) and was hoping for a software tool to run to achieve the same result.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by MartijnBraam on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:22AM (#35080225)
I went with 19" rack gear [1] instead of Series 500.

As mic I use an SM57 which is fed into a DBX 286 compressor/de-esser/gate/enhancer and that signal is going to the videoconferencing application and is looped back into my headphones. The neat thing about the 286 is that it's fully analog so I can still hear myself with zero latency.

For the return signal from the videoconference I have a seperate audio interface that feeds into a Behringer Autocomp to compress practically all the dynamic range out of it and then it's going to a t.c. electric finalizer to do some multiband compression which fixes most midrange heavy gaming headsets.

This gear also has a dual purpose as outboard gear for audio production stuffs though, it's not just for the video conferencing.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/cpyASMz.jpg

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by gcr on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:53PM (#35077820)
Fella after my own heart. On all my video calls in 2020, I had a Zoom H1 with a fuzzy pop shield feeding into a simple USB interface on a rickety tripod. Even with this simple setup without bells+whistles, I got so many compliments on how great my voice sounded.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by JohnBooty on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:42PM (#35078087)
I love this. Regardless of the exact tack taken, everybody who videoconferences for work should invest some time in maxxing out their voice and appearance as much as possible.

At the simplest, this could be a $35 external webcam and a lamp or ring light to give yourself the most flattering possible angle. Or even spending $0 and just rearranging your existing setup.

Love it, hate it, or otherwise... I look like a sack of potatoes so it brings me no joy to say this but, it's reality. The way you look and sound has an influence on how you and your ideas will be perceived by others. Might as well spend some time and (perhaps) a few dollars on it because it's ingrained deep in our biology for better or worse.

The good news is remote work has leveled the playing field quite a bit here. It's far less work than looking and sounding great in person.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by sundvor on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:34PM (#35078350)
Agree 100%, I'm really surprised by how little so many people care about their camera plus audio setup. From extremely messy backgrounds to having a glaringly bright window right behind them, these are things that could be rectified very easily.

E.g. always a messy house, never any time to clean up? Move the desk half a metre out from the wall and flip the setup around. Now it will be clean 100% of the time as far as what the camera can see.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:43PM (#35087157)
I got my job in the middle of COVID lockdown and one of the key things the recruiter impressed on me was having a good place to do the interview. Not just the obvious stuff like no kids running around screaming. A separate space that could be quiet and undisturbed, paying attention to the background, tidying up so it didn't look visually cluttered and take away the focus from me, etc.

She did a good job of pointing out how the video surroundings made a substantial impact on how the candidate was perceived when interviewing remotely.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by dylan604 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:14PM (#35078254)
I hate video conferencing so much I want them to prefer my camera is off. Off is the default state of my camera, and if they ask me to turn it on, all that will be visible is an extreme closeup of a piece of tape.

Expecting me to spruce up beyond what I would ordinarily look like in person is just ludicrous. This isn't instagram, and i'm not trying to gain any followers from a work call. I'll just chalk this one up as another thing I can blame on the unrealistic expectations people have come to think is required because of the influence they've allowed social media to have over them.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by zrobotics on Thursday March 09, 2023 @12:06AM (#35078484)
Hate to say it, but this isn't a social media thing or even new. How you look and sound greatly affects how people perceive your ideas. The parent comment had some good advice, making yourself look better does have an impact. Human psychology being what it is, it's futile to expect that people will just ignore the presentation and solely focus on the content. Plus, if everyone is stuck in a zoom call then they don't want to have to stare at the most unflattering angle possible.

I'm certainly not the best looking person, but adding an external webcam from a different angle definitely was noticed by coworkers in a positive way. I end up in a ton of marketing calls, and often I have to be the engineering voice that speaks up to say 'we can't do it that way, here is an alternative'. Since paying attention to my camera setup, my warnings get taken more seriously and have more attention paid to them.

Nobody is expecting you to look like a model or do a photo shoot, but spending a little bit of time improving camera angle, lighting, and mic really does pay off. No photographer takes low angle shots of close up faces since it's generally very unflattering, but that's the typical setup for a laptop on a desk. Just buying a cheap desk mic and a external webcam really will level up your presence in meetings. Don't think of it as Instagram bullshit, look at it as a way to use your tech skills to lifehack having a better interpersonal presence than you might have in person. Seriously, for ~$100 you can have a nicer camera and mic than 90% of everyone else, and having those things makes people treat you more seriously.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by deepspace on Thursday March 09, 2023 @01:16AM (#35078728)
Strongly agree. I used to be a long-haired, long-bearded, t-shirt wearing nerd, and when I started remote work a decade ago, I used the default laptop camera, which gave a great view of the interior of my nostrils.

At some point, I decided to spruce up my appearance. Shaved the hair and beard, bought collared shirts, switched to an external webcam on a boom arm, with a green screen and software to generate a soothing backdrop instead of my cluttered electronics lab. Added a decent quality directional microphone (also boom-mounted) and installed better lighting.

I also replaced my profile photo, taken with the same up-the-nostril webcam, with a professionally taken photo.

The level of respect and engagement from my colleagues went through the roof. Best tech lifehack I ever did.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by dylan604 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:00AM (#35078896)
So we're doing the what is old is new again?

Next, I'll be reading having to wear a coat and tie on a zoom call. The old days you had to have your IBM approved suit with your high&tight (or similarly strict) hair style and closely shaved face. Everyone got sick of that, and it went to casual fridays are still too uptight, so flip flops, shorts and tanktops became the norm. Long hair any above the shoulders became fashionable, and bonus points if you pulled it up into a bun.

now, the pendulum has swung back, and people are trying to differentiate themselves by going back to smartly dressed clean cut. round round like a record, and yet it never ceases to amaze how the repeat makes it out like its the brand new thing nobody has ever seen before. just like redoing your entire code base in $newLanguageDijour.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by zrobotics on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:33AM (#35079055)
Almost like human psychology hasn't changed that much. And plus, you don't need to get carried away, simply investing in a decent mic and having a camera that isn't pointed straight up your nose is enough to differentiate you in most meetings.

I'm shocked at the pushback on this, it shouldn't be surprising that people like seeing decent looking people. You don't need to loom like an Instagram model, I certainly don't. But spending 15 minutes on Amazon and 20 minutes of setup time to make yourself look better on video calls isn't a huge ask. Hell, BO issues from not showering would be a more major career-limiting move in an office, and on zoom the only way your coworkers can tell you didn't shower is if you actively look greasy. This is way less of an ask, acting like making yourself presentable on camera is a huge burden is crazy to me. It's way easier to be presentable on zoom, because again just spending $30 on a mic is a game changer.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by secretg on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:52AM (#35082535)
Yeah it is a very low bar to just look presentable for a video call. I actually prefer calls where people have their video turned on.There is a lot of visual cues to know how your idea is coming across from people's facial expressions, and people generally seem more attentive when their video is turned on.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by dylan604 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:47AM (#35083304)
the fact that you're not looking at me while you're looking at my image on the screen means the big social cue of eye contact is lost, so i feel like you are avoiding eye contact and not really tuned in.

so until everyone starts to use teleprompters, it is just so off-putting to me that i just can't do it.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by jjeaff on Thursday March 09, 2023 @03:12AM (#35079254)
What is culturally seen as looking nice may change over the years, but the fact that looking as nice as possible even if casual helps you in the workplace and life never really changed. We have sort of leaned into looking like you aren't trying in the last decade, but the core principle never really changed.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by Gordonjcp on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:36AM (#35079685)
s/Dijour/du jour/
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by mulmen on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:54AM (#35080365)
The obvious advantage being that we can easily fake a flattering wardrobe with a green turtleneck.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by JohnBooty on Thursday March 09, 2023 @09:36AM (#35081581)
I'm really not sure anybody thinks this is new. I certainly don't; I'm old enough to have worn a tie to work. I hated it.

Reading through the comments I don't get the impression anybody else thinks it's new either. It reads like you're just looking for reasons to insult people. That's a shame.

If you want to seek out jobs where remote conferencing is eschewed and nobody sees each others' faces, I think that's valid. I won't insult you.

For me there is a strong positive mental health component to having at least some brief human contact with my coworkers, even if it's just Zoom. However quite honestly 15 minutes a day is plenty for me usually... I am much closer to feeling like you than the "return to office" advocates, that is certain.

I hope that as individuals and as a society we can get to a point where we accept that some people want to work remotely and anonymously, some want to work in offices, and many prefer someplace in the middle. And that people from one group won't insult the other.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by mschuster91 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:15AM (#35080194)
> I'm certainly not the best looking person, but adding an external webcam from a different angle definitely was noticed by coworkers in a positive way.

Not just the angle. I run my Sony A7S2 as a webcam, usually with the 24-240 allround zoom - and people come and say all the time how good the picture is, simply because they're used to everyone running the potato-quality webcam.

It's a fucking shame that even Apple's multi-thousand-dollar MBP lineup has crap cameras. Yeah, I get it, thin-ness is part of Apple's secret design sauce, but cameras need space so that they can have proper sized sensors and lenses.

(Side note: an external camera has the benefit of being able to point it on your cats. In long-running meetings, showing off your cats tends to be a great mood improver)

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by sorum on Thursday March 09, 2023 @09:39AM (#35081621)
> (Side note: an external camera has the benefit of being able to point it on your cats. In long-running meetings, showing off your cats tends to be a great mood improver)

The rule is: if a pet makes it into the shot somehow, you HAVE to bring them up for a close-up

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by vladvasiliu on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:47AM (#35079124)
> Expecting me to spruce up beyond what I would ordinarily look like in person is just ludicrous

I don't think the point is mainly about sprucing up beyond what you ordinarily look like. Aside from what others have said, one thing to consider is how the eyes and ears work in person vs via screen + webcam / mic + speakers.

Differences between a human eye and a webcam make it so that when you look at someone in person, even in shitty unflattering light and in a cluttered environment, you'll mostly see that person as they "normally" look. But stick a webcam and a screen in between, and all bets are off. Especially if you're going to use high contrast (think dark skin + white shirt or the reverse, with a strong backlight for bonus points).

Same for listening. You can usually hear people when you're talking to them and there's noise around if you focus a bit. But put a crappy laptop mic and speakers in between, and good luck understanding anything they say.

I don't often use my webcam and tend to turn off incoming video because I don't enjoy teams melting my laptop. But it's an atrocious, infuriating experience trying to talk to someone when I can barely hear their voice and instead am able to follow what their colleagues are saying or counting how many cars go past their window. Taking a little care to be understandable doesn't mean you're expected to be some world-class speaker.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by kalleboo on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:56AM (#35080703)
Yeah our company has always been remote, and we've always just done voice calls, which have worked fine, but during COVID someone had the idea to start using video.

In an act of malicious compliance, I went to a second hand shop and picked up an old USB webcam for $3 with complete potato quality. After about an hour or so it also starts glitching out with weird green and purple patterns, a pretty good sign that the meeting has gone on for too long.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by klodolph on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:07AM (#35078930)
There have been some studies on how audio / video quality affects perception, and from what I remember of the studies, audio quality has a bigger impact. It's better to have clear audio with a poor image, and it's worse to have poor audio with a clear image.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by nvarsj on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:13AM (#35079546)
I've spent a lot on my set up and it still sucks video wise. I don't think it's as cheap or easy as you suggest. Video is a lot more challenging than audio to get right. I'd at least need to invest another $200-300 into some good key lights to improve it.

But do you really need great video for video conferencing?

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by Gordonjcp on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:35AM (#35079680)
> $35 external webcam and a lamp or ring light

Fuck it, buy some cheapy LED panels (Lidl are doing roughly iPad-sized SAD lights for under 20 quid), some gel to tame the colour, and do yourself a proper three-point lighting setup.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by galangalalgol on Thursday March 09, 2023 @08:01AM (#35080746)
Also know your audience and what their concerns are. If it is a customer worried if about you managing to cost and schedule, then wear a suit, use a professional vocal register, and takenthe steps you suggest. If they are worried about your competency, dress and act a bit eccentric, or given you are reading this, here, stop hiding your eccentricity and wear something you normally would. The lighting and sound in that case should only be good enough not to stand out in either direction.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by Eumenes on Thursday March 09, 2023 @09:13AM (#35081331)
I was looking to replace my logitech web cam and went down a rabbit hole of using fancy DSLR for video conferencing ... then I decided I don't need higher quality than the c920
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by badwolf on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:00AM (#35081853)
Decent lighting does wonders here. Most webcams, in particular the c920 workhorse work great - when there's sufficient lighting!
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by JohnBooty on Thursday March 09, 2023 @08:28PM (#35089325)
Yeah, c920 + a flattering angle + decent lighting = absolutely fine.

Honestly, laptop webcam + flattering angle + decent lighting = also absolutely fine, but it's harder to get a nice angle with something built into the laptop.

IMO a DSLR would only be useful if you're going for a filmlike look of softly blurred backgrounds, or maybe low light shooting made possible by the bigger lens and sensor. At that point it's probably bordering on ostentatious.

At my last company the CEO had something like that, but he also used that setup for calls with investors and news outlets and such, so it made a lot of sense.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by atomize on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:03AM (#35095147)
Just chiming in based on your comment. Support some developers and buy the pro version of DroidCam. This might sound like a silly suggestion but it works for me: Save an old Android with a decent camera. It doesn't have to have stellar specs, I use a 5 year old Galaxy. DroidCam works flawlessly for me using an old phone with a good camera both wireless as well as with USB connected. All of my software, including my browsers (all on Linux) see my DroidCam as a webcam with no hiccups. I also ended up getting DroidCam OBS and have used multiple phones with OBS to easily create a multi-camera-angle scene for fancy video conferencing/streaming. Add a noise cancelling / directional mic setup for $15 and you have a hacky, albeit, modular and rather quality setup.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by sundvor on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:12PM (#35078244)
I love my NVIDIA Broadcast (3070 GPU) for removing my very demanding Burmese cat from any work conversation.

I have a Røde mounted SE X1 condenser microphone which picks up absolutely everything; couldn't use it without my GPU.

Putting a bit of effort into my audio setup has been a great thing for WFH. Kudos to yourself for doing the same.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by klodolph on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:36AM (#35079076)
> I have a Røde mounted SE X1 condenser microphone which picks up absolutely everything; couldn't use it without my GPU.

It's a common misconception that certain types of microphones are more sensitive to background noise. Truth is, even if a microphone is more sensitive, it still picks up foreground and background noise equally.

There are some caveats--you can reject background noise with the right polar pattern and mic placement, background noise might be buried in the microphone's self noise, and other minor quirks. But in general, changing microphones is not an effective way to eliminate background noise.

Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by phendrenad2 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @03:53AM (#35079453)
Hey, anything is better than just using the built-in Macbook mic, or airpods, which I've seen many people in tech companies do (an yes, it correlates to lack of situational awareness in their work too.)
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by phendrenad2 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:12PM (#35087531)
As a corollary, the top brass at most companies I've worked with have high-end AV equipment just for zoom meetings. Make of that what you will.
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by eurekin on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:46AM (#35080032)
What dsp are you using for realtime conferencing?
Re:Audio Engineer Explains NPR's Signature Sound by the_real_sparky on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:21AM (#35080495)
The rnnoise filters (or Nvidia’s broadcast / RTX Voice tool) do a great job of suppressing noise.

https://github.com/werman/noise-suppression-for-voice