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Re:The moral case against equity language by coldtea on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:50AM (#35008003)
>It is so weird, because it adds yet another layer of distance between "us" and the "normal" people.

Yeah, and those "sensitive" people also don't seem to get what normal means. It just means "how the majority is supposed to be/the baseline fully functioning state regarding X". It's not a moral judgement if one is not in the normal group regarding some ability.

>Its a weird phenomenon. The longer I watch all of this, and I also mean the gender-language-hacks, I feel like this move has added to the distance between various groups, not made it smaller.

I think the smaller distance is when groups can be relaxed and casual about language - and even joke about their differences.

This is as opposed to hostile (as back in the day regarding e.g. whites against blacks) and overcautious tip-toeing around the other group.

Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:59AM (#35008960)
This line is probably smaller than it may appear. The reason much of this language policing started is because of the dominant group using language to reinforce the inferiority of a less powerful group.

It’s always easier for the dominant group to say “it’s just words — no one cares” since the words are never at their expense.

Re:The moral case against equity language by account42 on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:26AM (#35009998)
Which dominant group isn't subject to slurs?
Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:50AM (#35010301)
Everyone is subject to slurs. That’s not what I’m referencing.

I’m talking about the use of language where you use the less-dominant group as a negative reference point. For example “retarded”. Or “fag”. You apply those terms to people who are neither as a way of disparaging them.

Re:The moral case against equity language by andsoitis on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:32AM (#35010891)
I’m gay. Whether someone calls me fag or gay or LGBTQI+ (this one I hate more that “fag”, BTW) is orthogonal to:

a) how they treat me

b) whether they would actually stick their neck out for me when it really matters (e.g. marriage equality).

I will almost universally guarantee that the same person who insists on non-offensive language for me would NOT fight for marriage equality if it means they have to give up something or risk something. True ally.

Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35010984)
I think you missed my point. It isn’t about calling you a fag (which they may). It’s about calling people they think are less than in general - fags.

On your other point, you think that people who call you fag or other offensive language will fight for marriage equality? As a black person I’ve found that people who call me coon typically haven’t fought for me — even when they have something to gain (drain pool).

Re:The moral case against equity language by andsoitis on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:02AM (#35011328)
You’re right that someone who calls me X or you Y won’t fight for us. What I tried to communicate is that folks who spend a lot of time fighting for using specific verbiage to refer to me so as to not offend, are not really helping me. In fact, as Dave Chapelle has pointed out, when it really comes down to it, even people who obsess about using language that they think would offend me don’t stick their necks out when it really matters; they might correct speech or go to a march (gay pride for instance), but ask them to sacrifice something and it is crickets.
Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:36AM (#35011793)
Fair enough. I generally agree.
Re:The moral case against equity language by yamtaddle on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:09PM (#35012288)
> It’s about calling people they think are less than in general

OT, but does anyone know where this specific usage of "less than" came from? I'd never seen it until about five years ago and now it's everywhere. The word "inferior" would have been used before. What's the origin of this?

Re:The moral case against equity language by coldtea on Friday March 03, 2023 @07:19PM (#35016786)
>The reason much of this language policing started is because of the dominant group using language to reinforce the inferiority of a less powerful group.

I think it's the inverse: the reason this language policing started was because the dominant group had reduced its hold... That why it started when it started and not when things were much worse...