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Re:The moral case against equity language by account42 on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:26AM (#35009998)
Which dominant group isn't subject to slurs?
Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:50AM (#35010301)
Everyone is subject to slurs. That’s not what I’m referencing.

I’m talking about the use of language where you use the less-dominant group as a negative reference point. For example “retarded”. Or “fag”. You apply those terms to people who are neither as a way of disparaging them.

Re:The moral case against equity language by andsoitis on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:32AM (#35010891)
I’m gay. Whether someone calls me fag or gay or LGBTQI+ (this one I hate more that “fag”, BTW) is orthogonal to:

a) how they treat me

b) whether they would actually stick their neck out for me when it really matters (e.g. marriage equality).

I will almost universally guarantee that the same person who insists on non-offensive language for me would NOT fight for marriage equality if it means they have to give up something or risk something. True ally.

Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35010984)
I think you missed my point. It isn’t about calling you a fag (which they may). It’s about calling people they think are less than in general - fags.

On your other point, you think that people who call you fag or other offensive language will fight for marriage equality? As a black person I’ve found that people who call me coon typically haven’t fought for me — even when they have something to gain (drain pool).

Re:The moral case against equity language by andsoitis on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:02AM (#35011328)
You’re right that someone who calls me X or you Y won’t fight for us. What I tried to communicate is that folks who spend a lot of time fighting for using specific verbiage to refer to me so as to not offend, are not really helping me. In fact, as Dave Chapelle has pointed out, when it really comes down to it, even people who obsess about using language that they think would offend me don’t stick their necks out when it really matters; they might correct speech or go to a march (gay pride for instance), but ask them to sacrifice something and it is crickets.
Re:The moral case against equity language by kenjackson on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:36AM (#35011793)
Fair enough. I generally agree.
Re:The moral case against equity language by yamtaddle on Friday March 03, 2023 @12:09PM (#35012288)
> It’s about calling people they think are less than in general

OT, but does anyone know where this specific usage of "less than" came from? I'd never seen it until about five years ago and now it's everywhere. The word "inferior" would have been used before. What's the origin of this?