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Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by pwg on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:12AM (#34982000)
From TFA:

> First and most importantly, ads were still being served via the stream; it was just happening via whatever third-party client the user was using. The main difference here is the app being used, and honestly, is that really such a bad thing?

From their perspective, they likely thought so. The amount of user tracking and spying data they can hoover up via an app., which is not available to them from someone using VLC (or another player) is huge, and it is very likely that a huge part of their monetization of Pluto TV streams comes from the tracking data they can hoover up via their app.

No app., no tracking data, no tracking data means lost profits from selling the same. So of course they try to abuse the DMCA as best they can to claw back those lost profits.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by xattt on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:20AM (#34982060)
Does this mean that adblockers will be seen as piracy tools in the near future?
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by pjc50 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:33AM (#34982185)
People have been making the "adblocking is piracy because it interferes with monetization" argument for years. As with all these questions, the detail of "be seen as X by whom exactly" matters.
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by tarotuser on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:37AM (#34984351)
I make a point not to argue with stupid people. And instead, everybody I help with their computer, I show them adblockers, paywall bypassers, anti-trackers, and other user-enabling tech.

Computers act against the intentions of most people because they're not aware of their choices. So I help show them what is available and to use them.

The anti-adblocker crowd is just plain stupid. And from being a system engineer for many years, you can't fix stupid.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by hermannj314 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @08:43AM (#34982278)
Of course! The ad blocker is creating an uninspired derivative of a copyrightable work. Piracy!
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by izzydata on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:54AM (#34983040)
I don't see how that can even be possible to argue for. If I close my eyes and put earplugs in when an ad is playing is that piracy? It's no different than blanking out an ad that my own personal computer is receiving when I don't feel like viewing or listening to something on it.

By the same logic if I don't feel like having my own computer send someone else's computer some metadata about my viewing experience then there is nothing they can do about it. My computer, my rules.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by folio on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:25AM (#34983368)
> If I close my eyes and put earplugs in when an ad is playing is that piracy?

See: https://www.iflscience.com/eyetracking-moviepass-app-will-pa...

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by GoblinSlayer on Thursday March 02, 2023 @07:18AM (#34994818)
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by tpmoney on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:53AM (#34983664)
> If I close my eyes and put earplugs in when an ad is playing is that piracy?

There’s certainly a not unreasonable argument that it is if you agreed to watch ads in exchange for getting something. If you do a project for me and I agree to pay you after I receive your invoice and then stop accepting mail, refuse all emails, ignore all phone calls, run away from you when I see you in person and otherwise do everything possible to prevent myself from receiving your invoice, wouldn’t you consider that theft of services?

That isn’t to say I think all ad blocking is theft of services, nor to say that something like broadcasting with ads constitutes an agreement or even that abuse of ads in such an agreement wouldn’t justify blocking ads. Just that the argument is not unreasonable

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by hysan on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:29AM (#34984196)
From a different angle, does this mean that when you visit a website, you should not see any ads (or content) until you’ve agreed to the TOS? And preloading ads and their scripts shouldn’t be allowed because those on metered connections would effectively be forced to pay for ads before agreeing?
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by mikestew on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:17AM (#34984030)
There’s certainly a not unreasonable argument that it is if you agreed to watch ads in exchange for getting something.

It is unfortunate for some that this does not apply to online content. Because though vendors of online content might like to pretend that such an agreement is in place, that agreement is at best implicit. No one asked me, and I agreed to no such thing, no matter the fantasies of of the ad suppliers.

So, no; the argument is entirely unreasonable, and falls down at its core premise.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by deckard1 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:54PM (#34986718)
> you agreed to watch ads

How many ads did I agree to? How long? Did I agree for them to harvest and sell my info to 3rd parties? And which ones? Did I agree to Equifax selling out my private info (including salary history) via The Work Number?

These corporations have been stealing from me forever using their lawyer thugs and endless microscopic print while having no option but to say "yes" to everything. Are you going to live without a cellular phone plan in 2023? Or internet? Or a car that is now a SaaS that tracks you via GPS and sells it to god-knows-who. Farmers can't even own their tractors today if John Deere gets their way. The rent-seeking is all a bit too much.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by sunnytimes on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @02:50PM (#34987361)
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64206913

the farmers won the John Deere argument! .. i didn't read the article but half my family is farmers and they were excited about it.

Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by garyfirestorm on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:06AM (#34983853)
That makes my pi-hole……..a bank?
Re:You can watch Pluto TV in VLC, and the MPA considers this... by Karellen on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:05AM (#34982508)
> So of course they try to abuse the DMCA as best they can to claw back those lost profits.

Classic "felony contempt of business model" play

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/06/felony-contempt-busine...