Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by iLoveOncall on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @07:51AM
(#34968701)
That's not true, at least for VirginMedia. I use Cloudflare DNS servers and I can't access ThePirateBay without a proxy or a VPN, it's more than just a blockage at the DNS level.
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Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by boudin on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:01AM
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When I was on virgin, I noticed that ip addresses used by some TPB or similar websites weren't routed to the internet, which is obviously quite bad. I'm not sure if it's still what they do.
Better ISPs only do DNS blocking though. Some don't block anything actually.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @09:19AM
(#34969544)
oof, this is serious, thanks for letting me know
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by PlutoIsAPlanet on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:01AM
(#34968781)
They can block the IPs or watch for SNI requests.
It's far from as complex as the Great Firewall of China.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by voxic11 on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @09:07AM
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I don't think the main complaint about the Great Firewall of China is its complexity.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by lvturner on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:38PM
(#34977637)
For now...
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by kalium-xyz on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @07:52AM
(#34968712)
I donno about the UKs system but with South Korea they just check the host in the request header and block by that.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by jakewins on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @07:59AM
(#34968768)
How can they do that, the HTTP headers are encrypted by TLS?
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by Nextgrid on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:00AM
(#34968776)
Until encrypted SNI/encrypted client hello is a thing, the hostname is still sent in the clear.
Also, it can still be DNS blocked - just because you use Cloudflare's DNS doesn't mean they can't rewrite the responses as they still transit unencrypted. You'd have to use DNS-over-HTTPS or DNS-over-TLS to work around that.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:10AM
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If it's TLS1.2, certificates containing CNs and/or SANs are sent in the clear too.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by foepys on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:06AM
(#34968825)
Luckily, ESNI is being supported by an increasing number of implementations.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by neilalexander on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @04:05PM
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I believe China's answer to ESNI is just to block all traffic that attempts to handshake with ESNI, so it still won't necessarily get you anywhere.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by foepys on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @04:16PM
(#34974971)
Once everything is using ESNI this isn't a problem anymore. It's the lack of implementation that is currently the problem.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by robertlagrant on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:01AM
(#34968783)
Maybe it's actually SNI.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by ShowalkKama on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @08:01AM
(#34968784)
not op, no idea how they do it but they COULD look at the SNI in the client hello
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by denton-scratch on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @09:45AM
(#34969808)
In that case it's your ISP (Virgin Media). My niche ISP gives me unfiltered internet. Also, I run my own recursive resolver.
Re:We will not ‘walk out’ of UK, nor comply with any request...
by tenebrisalietum on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:23AM
(#34971086)
Try an SSL DOH resolver, which can't be subject to simple transparent intercepts (at least not without you knowing about it).