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Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by ncr100 on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:11PM (#34952135)
Which to me suggests teaching critical thinking, to people, to help ensure we are making decisions based upon worthwhile information.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by kelseyfrog on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:21PM (#34952194)
The only problem with this is that it ends up giving people the ability to think critically about information which contradicts their beliefs. It's the same problem smart people have - they're more capable at rationalizing their beliefs than they are at deciding what to believe.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by macawfish on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:04AM (#34954142)
That's not critical thinking then, it's reactionary thinking. Critical thinking is a tool for challenging our own beliefs and assumptions.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by kelseyfrog on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:01PM (#34959727)
I agree. Critical thinking is often paired with developing the methods or tools of critique. Instead of applying the tools of critique to one's own thoughts, these tools get applied selectively to ideas, especially ideas one doesn't agree with already.

For example, recognizing bias is a component of critical thinking. Rather than recognizing one's own biases, the reactionary thinker will instead tend to recognize bias in other's assumptions and arguments. They apply different standards to their own thoughts than they do to others'. You're absolutely right that this isn't critical thinking, but it is definitely a result of half-teaching or half-learning the tools of critique, or an inability to be intellectually honest or emotionally available to being wrong.

Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by MonkeyMalarky on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:46PM (#34952343)
Apparently vast swaths of humanity are dumb as bricks and teaching them to "think critically" has somehow ended up with a bunch of of knee-jerk contrarians who think they've uncovered conspiracies from global warming to covid vaccines.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by tstrimple on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:47PM (#34953093)
I've been told the "free marketplace of ideas" will sort these sort of problems out any day now. Unfortunately the FMoI has zero capacity to handle Brandolini's Law and has shown itself to be so useless it can't even set Flat Earth believers straight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by MrMan on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:49PM (#34953114)
smart people are just as susceptible
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by tstrimple on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:53PM (#34953130)
More so as you mentioned above. I know plenty of people who aren't that smart who know they aren't that smart and are humble and don't presume outside of their expertise. But there's a certain class of "educated" folk who think that because of their education they know everything. Let me say that troubleshooting software issues with doctors is absolutely the last thing you want to do. Please let me talk to the secretary who claims she knows nothing about computers.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by MrMan on Sunday February 26, 2023 @11:48PM (#34953108)
at population level critical thinking is a dangerous hero myth. AI shows us clearly that our own faculties are very limited and there is no individual defense against propaganda and lies.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by ncr100 on Monday February 27, 2023 @02:35PM (#34960860)
Treat everything as a lie. Boom - defenses go waaay up, and this avoids acceptance of lies.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by kelseyfrog on Monday February 27, 2023 @02:39PM (#34960912)
People who live like this tend to be insufferable. It's intellectual auto-lobotomy.
Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by ncr100 on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:12PM (#34961272)
To defend and clarify, another way to "treat everything like a lie" is to be a skeptic. And being skeptical doesn't necessarily require revealing one's skepticism.

To illustrate - one can be empathetic and choose to accept that other people have perspectives which work for those others, though not for themselves.

Keeping quiet about one's skepticism doesn't require one to have a superior attitude, or be arrogant.

Re:Generative AI could be an authoritarian breakthrough in b... by kelseyfrog on Monday February 27, 2023 @04:14PM (#34961944)
On second thought we are likely talking about two different things.