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Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by teddyh on Sunday February 26, 2023 @02:02AM (#34943702)
Since (regrettably, for other reasons), many people seem to be moving to use centralized resolvers which all, incidentally, do validate DNSSEC strictly, I doubt whether “number of recursive resolvers” is a valid proxy for “number of users using DNSSEC validation in practice” anymore.

In fact, I see a lot of people advocating for using centralized resolvers, and not even once have I seen a counter-argument in the form of DNSSEC validation being a problem.

Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by tptacek on Sunday February 26, 2023 @05:49PM (#34950518)
What does it matter if your centralized resolver across the Internet is doing DNSSEC? The same on-path attacker DNSSEC was designed to address can defeat DNSSEC on the path between you and the resolver. It's a baffling design.
Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by teddyh on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:35PM (#34961529)
It matters because the topic was whether DNSSEC is growing or not, specifically whether more or fewer users are using DNSSEC validating resolvers. You’re not just moving the goalposts, you’re changing the topic entirely.
Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by mike_d on Monday February 27, 2023 @10:18PM (#34965245)
The horse has been beaten to death - DNSSEC is dead. It continues to see adoption on the authoritative side because turning it on in a basic state and letting it limp along costs almost nothing.

Many recursive servers do validate DNSSEC, but disable it on a per-zone basis when validation failures happen and users start to complain.

tptacek raises an additional good point that DNSSEC does nothing to protect the last mile of a query. It also provides zero confidentiality.

dnscrypt was always a superior implementation, but saw little uptake because people blindly believed the DNSSEC propaganda.

Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by teddyh on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @06:00AM (#34967979)
From my perspective, DNSSEC is very much alive, and moreso every year. At work, we only ever see requests for more DNSSEC from everybody; both customers and TLDs/registries. Nobody at conferences, both formally and in informal conversations, has said anything against DNSSEC in principle. I used to say that I ever only saw one person argue against DNSSEC; and it was here on HN. I guess that I can now say that it is two people, both here on HN.

If validation failures were that common, I would think I, working at a domain registrar and authoritative DNS provider, would hear about it. The last mile problem would be solved by DoT/DoH, no?

If anything is a “dead horse”, it’s dnscrypt. Are you claiming that DNSSEC is some sort of industry conspiracy?

Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by tptacek on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @02:05PM (#34973393)
It's a conspiracy, but not from the industry, which has broadly rejected it. :)
Re:Bizarre and Unusual Uses of DNS by teddyh on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @02:38PM (#34973792)
What “industry” would that be? Certainly not the DNS industry, or their customers (i.e. anybody who wants a domain name). Do you mean “rejected” in the same sense as how IPv6 is still only slowly being adopted?