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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by Escapado on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:27PM (#34915182)
The catch is that this is a tiny lab prototype, where the energy density is projected and I could not find it in the paper that the cycling was in fact tested for 1000 times and even though the starting materials are cheap the article is very light on details about mass manufacturing larger cells. I don't want to take away from the research and think it's super cool and hope it scales well to mass production but it's usually a long road from lab prototype to Tesla level production facilities.
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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by cosmotic on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:43PM (#34915431)
> long road

But how long? Longer than 300 miles?

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by jackmott42 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:45PM (#34915450)
Almost all inventions you hear about in the lab phase like this NEVER make it to production.

But sometimes they do.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by boringg on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:00PM (#34915652)
Argonne got NMC to market. I wouldn't discount Argonne.
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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by moreati on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:12PM (#34915829)
For anyone else curious, NMC is probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobal...

> Lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxides (abbreviated Li-NMC, LNMC, or NMC) are mixed metal oxides of lithium, nickel, manganese and cobalt. They have the general formula LiNixMnyCozO2. ... NMCs are among the most important storage materials for lithium ions in lithium ion batteries. They are used on the positive side, which acts as the cathode during discharge.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by rhodin on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:25PM (#34916696)
If interested in battery technology and Argonne I'd recommend this book: "The Powerhouse: America, China, and the Great Battery War" [0]

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-America-China-Great-Batter...

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by boringg on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:02PM (#34919759)
Concur interesting read!
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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by isk517 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:02PM (#34915687)
To quote Terry Pratchett:

99 out of every 100 ideas they come up with are complete rubbish, but the 100th tends to be an absolute humdinger.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by swayvil on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:12PM (#34915823)
Take a commonly held opinion. Something that all the smart people hold to be true.

Frame it wisely and wittily enough for fast food. Feed it back to those smart people.

That's Terry.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by nindalf on Thursday February 23, 2023 @04:11PM (#34916517)
Take someone who's achieved something. Someone widely admired.

Shit on them. Imply there was nothing impressive about what they did and it wasn't worth doing.

That's HN.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by mdp2021 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @05:14PM (#34917354)
> That's HN

As opposed to the miracle of selection elsewhere.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by perlgeek on Thursday February 23, 2023 @03:54PM (#34916314)
Most of these inventions don't live up to their initial hype, but some do find a niche (for example cell chemistry optimized for large temperature ranges, optimized for certain safety features, longevity over charge density etc.), and ideas from some of them find their way into mainstream batteries after a decade or two.

It basically never happens that a new cell chemistry becomes the market leader in all areas, but all in all, batteries to get better and cheaper at a remarkable rate.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by bez_almighty on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:04PM (#34920246)
"80% of the time, it fails, every time..."
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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by mhb on Thursday February 23, 2023 @05:37PM (#34917681)
> I could not find it in the paper that the cycling was in fact tested for 1000 times

The team established that this shortcoming is not the case for their new battery design by building and operating a test cell for 1000 cycles, demonstrating its stability over repeated charge and discharge.

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Re:Argonne: Lithium-Air battery 1200 wh/kg, 1000 cycles by Escapado on Thursday February 23, 2023 @06:11PM (#34918126)
I read that in the article but in the paper I only found a mention of tests for 200 cycles.
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