B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power to product managers

Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by kareemm on Monday February 20, 2023 @02:19PM (#34871677)

> I've never heard a PM say they learned something surprising and are reconsidering their initial idea.

You have never worked with a good PM then. I hear unexpected things from customers pretty much every single time I talk to one.

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by llamaLord on Monday February 20, 2023 @03:55PM (#34872783)

Additionally, as a PM, I hear unexpected things from my engineering teams to and they very often change the course of an initiative we're running.

A PM is an Air Traffic Controller - not a dictator.

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by ttymck on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:37PM (#34873883)

It's possible I've not worked with a good PM, but the fact remains that I haven't seen the industry _incentivize_ the "good PM" behavior you're describing nor have there been consequences for "bad PMs", so does "good" and "bad" really mean anything?

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by kareemm on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @08:21AM (#34880800)

There are lots of companies where talking to customers is a requirement for a PM to have continued employment. I’ve worked for more than a few. Seems to me that’s a pretty significant incentive.

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by ttymck on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:09PM (#34889068)

"Talking to customers" is "good PM behavior"? Isn't that like saying "writing code" is "good developer behavior"?

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