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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by sb8244 on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:22AM (#34868917)
It also matches with my experience fwiw. The biggest issue I saw with qualitative is that it almost always was used to reinforce an existing idea that the PM has. I've never heard a PM say they learned something surprising and are reconsidering their initial idea.
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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by kareemm on Monday February 20, 2023 @02:19PM (#34871677)
> I've never heard a PM say they learned something surprising and are reconsidering their initial idea.

You have never worked with a good PM then. I hear unexpected things from customers pretty much every single time I talk to one.

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by llamaLord on Monday February 20, 2023 @03:55PM (#34872783)
Additionally, as a PM, I hear unexpected things from my engineering teams to and they very often change the course of an initiative we're running.

A PM is an Air Traffic Controller - not a dictator.

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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by ttymck on Monday February 20, 2023 @05:37PM (#34873883)
It's possible I've not worked with a good PM, but the fact remains that I haven't seen the industry _incentivize_ the "good PM" behavior you're describing nor have there been consequences for "bad PMs", so does "good" and "bad" really mean anything?
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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by kareemm on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @08:21AM (#34880800)
There are lots of companies where talking to customers is a requirement for a PM to have continued employment. I’ve worked for more than a few. Seems to me that’s a pretty significant incentive.
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Re:B2B startup will stop innovating the day you give power t... by ttymck on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:09PM (#34889068)
"Talking to customers" is "good PM behavior"? Isn't that like saying "writing code" is "good developer behavior"?
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