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Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by tambourine_man on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:15PM (#34862894)
I’m always amazed at the dismissive comments recent AI advancement generates: it’s not really creation, a human would do much better, it’s getting old, etc

Think about it for a second: a machine understood your request in plain English and executed it adequately, instantly and free.

If you can’t think how that will affect every aspect of UX and creative job I don’t know what to tell you.

And that’s not even touching on the philosophical questions like a LLM suddenly displaying personality, like Sydney, and mostly passing the Turing test.

The floor is shifting beneath our feet. This is for real.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by taberiand on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:18PM (#34862927)
> Think about it for a second: a machine understood your request in plain English and executed it adequately, instantly and free.

And the same general purpose publicly available free AI can perform at that level for a very, very wide range of tasks.

Even if the general purpose bot is just 'adequate', how long until fine-tuned versions for specific tasks come out, performing at superhuman levels?

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by jvm___ on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:36PM (#34863036)
Today's software programs are written by humans for humans.

We'll rewrite those to be by AI for AI.

Craziness is incoming technologically and societally.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by vasco on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:43PM (#34863099)
I was thinking recently when reading that OpenAI is piping some of the textual prompts into iPython based on some rules, for example when someone asks for an answer that requires math. I could see ChatGPT piping to "itself" in the background and potentially having specialized AIs that would figure out better prompts from your prompt for example, among other obvious specialised ones like piping to image generation models and so on. You'd obviously also use an AI to choose what to pipe too. I agree with you eventually it'll be AI all the way down.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by jvm___ on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:48PM (#34863137)
Will AGI be one system, or the final boss that controls all the AI subsystems?

I think when AGI arrives, there will be so many AI tools out there we won't notice another one.

AGI seems like a moving goalpost target that always changes to whatever AI can't do today.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by dr_dshiv on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:34PM (#34863502)
It’s going to be an ecosystem of intelligence, just like it already is today. The notion of “an intelligence” is going to go away.

The singularity is real and AGI is here —but it isn’t like some runaway single agent that self improves and takes over the world. Just wait till it all starts talking to each other, training each other, using each other, all in convergence with humans. It’s very real. And very weird.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by hypothesis on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:51PM (#34863625)
Is there anything to stop them from using other against others? Will they start using humans as a tool too?
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by dr_dshiv on Monday February 20, 2023 @03:26AM (#34866211)
Yeah, once AI gets bank accounts (easy, via people), it can directly hire people.

Of course, arguably artificial intelligence is much older than this— and the bylaws of corporations constitute the algorithmic utilization of people.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by krainboltgreene on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:34PM (#34863025)
You could have written an incredibly similar comment but for the blockchain 6 years ago. Down to the tone and verbiage.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by tambourine_man on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:42PM (#34863092)
I could never have done that. Never bought into the crypto hype, even though I still find the blockchain very interesting. Never had a cent in crypto currency or NFT.

In fact, I’m extremely averse to hype, perhaps almost to a pathological degree.

And yet, I can’t remember when I was more scared and excited about some tech. Take that as you wish.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by mellosouls on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:49PM (#34863144)
I agree, I'm very hype-averse, and have moaned on here before about crypto-nonsense (and previous AI/AGI BS), but this is genuinely different.

It's a shame that people who are rightfully sceptical - precisely because of the hype-merchants and snake-oil salesman of the past decade or so on various tech "advances" have misjudged the quantum leap we are witnessing, and will duly fall behind or paint themselves into a luddite corner because of it.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by deepspace on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:59PM (#34863688)
> fall behind or paint themselves into a luddite corner because of it

I am not too concerned about that. It was easy to dismiss the blockchain/nft/web3 hype because there really is nothing there. No matter how hard the snake-oil salesmen tried, they were unable to create a killer app over the course of more than a decade.

I am likewise on the skeptical end of the AI hype, but I am using ChatGPT daily to do tedious stuff for me. The utility is so obvious and AI will become so ubiquitous that it will be impossible to ignore.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by mistercow on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:01PM (#34863265)
This seems to be a really common sentiment, and I find it very strange. Why do people think that the level of enthusiasm and hype for a technology is predictive of its likelihood to fizzle? Both real, world-changing tech and overhyped tech will create enthusiasm. You have to look deeper than the tone of voice people are using to talk about a technology to understand its potential.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by narag on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:46PM (#34864047)
This seems to be a really common sentiment, and I find it very strange.

The pattern: new thing -> decide if good or bad -> hype or attack.

Waiting to see how it evolves and gathering pros or cons is boring. Using it? Boring. Thinking? Better see if there's some expert you trust that has some opinion already. Readiness is all.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by stevenhuang on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:07PM (#34863314)
I find it so funny there are actually people here that seriously cannot see the gulf of utility that separates LLMs and blockchains.

What a crazy world we're in.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by simple-thoughts on Monday February 20, 2023 @12:11AM (#34865128)
For some people, access to decentralized financial products can be a matter of life or death - they live in jurisdictions with limited property rights, and loss of property can translate to lack of food, medicine, and housing.

LLMs mostly provide a way for companies to increase their efficiency. Currently anything an LLM can do a staff creative worker in the correct field can do.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by VirusNewbie on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:45PM (#34863111)
People said very similar things about RoR…
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by lajamerr on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:00PM (#34864134)
Me with not much background experience in programming not knowing what RoR stood for.

Me asking ChatGPT:

In this context, RoR most likely refers to Ruby on Rails, which is a web application framework written in the Ruby programming language. The second comment is suggesting that people had similar dismissive comments about Ruby on Rails (RoR) when it was first introduced, but it has since become a widely used and respected framework in web development. The comment implies that similar trends may apply to AI tools used for web design.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by LeoPanthera on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:46PM (#34863588)
This will be for real, when I can run this stuff at home.

Stable Diffusion is there. But GPT-3 still has to be run on my behalf by a company that could pull the rug at any moment, or add more stuff that they don't approve of to their TOS. (You already can't use it for "sexy" content. Want help writing a love letter? Oh no, you're banned.)

The "lighter" versions these text models that can be run at home aren't good enough yet.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by orose_ on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:29PM (#34863905)
You've alluded to my main concern regarding ML models, especially large GPT-3-alikes. Less that they could pull the rug, but rather the more general concern of companies "renting-out" access to these valuable tools that we will likely become dependent upon.

Based on Microsoft's relationship with OpenAI, it wouldn't be surprising to me if they also wish to offer access to these AI models via Azure for example as a SaaS offering. Then you can imagine some small start-ups with Billy and Jimmy making some other SaaS product that is based on this very API. It would be a clever way to extract revenue from supposedly novel products whilst controlling and shaping the game.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by BMorearty on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:07PM (#34863749)
Software is only for real when you can run it on your home computer?

Google isn't for real yet?

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by LeoPanthera on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:13PM (#34863793)
There's a huge difference between utility software, especially utilities that are inherently network-based like "a search engine", and application software used for content creation.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by BMorearty on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:22PM (#34863854)
Oh like Google Docs.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by ColonelPhantom on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:51PM (#34864074)
If Google Docs suddenly disappeared, everyone would just continue as usual, except that they now use MS Word or LibreOffice instead. If GPT-3 disappeared, what's the alternative?
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by coding123 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:27PM (#34864290)
I feel like everyone is just playing devil's advocate. Almost every developer I know wants a native API or have the option of taking something out of the cloud. It's why paas died and docker as a service took over.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by BMorearty on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:06PM (#34864161)
Seems like you're changing the subject.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by LeoPanthera on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:19PM (#34864241)
No he's not. That's exactly the point my original comment made. You have missed the point.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by kanyethegreat on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:52PM (#34864426)
There are open models, eg. Bloom. Same with Stable Diffusion (open) and Dall-E. Creating these isn’t impossibly hard. Some ML ops company showed how you could train a GPT-like model for like $250k or something.
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by dogcomplex on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:15PM (#34863810)
Pearl clutchers complaining about the bot that can do pretty much anything with only mediocre quality (so far)

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33846104)

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by echelon on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:24PM (#34863864)
Their sleeping on this is your opportunity.

Build something, scale it, raise capital.

The losers will wish they'd done the same.

I honestly think this is the biggest evolution of our field in our lifetimes (I was here for early web). I'm so excited and have already been building incredible stuff, and I'm saying that as someone who has had a decent career at top employers.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by resource0x on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:47PM (#34864393)
Build something, pump it, raise capital, buy a house in Bahamas, declare bankruptcy, hire lawyers and hope for the best. :-)
Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by echelon on Sunday February 19, 2023 @11:25PM (#34864886)
Does nobody believe in anything anymore?

Grumpy and cynical takes everywhere you look.

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by yieldcrv on Sunday February 19, 2023 @09:03PM (#34864143)
Although I wouldn't have employees, I would have a variety of people on fiverr that I would interact with and pay for a month or two and probably spend $1000 total. Most of the tasks being $50-$100 while one or two being the lions share of the costs

But even at those low prices the biggest thing for me is time

going back and forth on a 8 day delivery, the logo designer bottlenecking the website designer and explainer video creator

that alone makes the AI tools worth it to me, to not consider doing a contract with 5 people at all and having so many iterations across a few minutes or few hours

it is very likely that different specialists will just be on fiverr, delivering complex things for $20 in a matter of hours, instead of a craft for $350 one week later

Re:Using AI tools to design an entire website by pkaye on Sunday February 19, 2023 @10:02PM (#34864488)
It reminds me of the quote "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"

I'm guessing we are at the second phase for AI.