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Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by elromulous on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:11PM (#34854292)
But also BMI is a crap metric, since it doesn't account for percent fat / muscle.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by graeme on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:35PM (#34854455)
> But also BMI is a crap metric, since it doesn't account for percent fat / muscle.

Sure, but for some reason everyone assumes BMI overstates obesity.

The opposite is more likely true. Strength and muscle mass are declining as waist size increases.

One study looked at this. BMI found ~30% of the participants were obese. But a body fat analysis showed 60% were obese!

Staggering difference, but in wrong direction

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:18PM (#34854336)
BMI may be a crap metric for individuals, but not for large population samples. I guarantee you that nearly half of American men aren't at obese-level BMIs because bodybuilders are somehow making a dent in the numbers.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by jdeisenberg on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:21PM (#34854369)
Some interesting information about the BMI in this opinion piece: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106268... (Top 10 Reasons Why The BMI Is Bogus)
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:31PM (#34854425)
Sorry, I think pretty much all those reasons are bogus. Yes, 100% agree that, as I said, it isn't a good metric for individuals, and I also agree that the actual calculation is weird - at the end of the day it's still just a ratio of height to weight.

But all of this nonsense nitpicking about bone density vs muscle vs fat is irrelevant when using it to look at large population cohorts over time. Looking at weight vs height is a good, easily calculable metric without needing to put everyone in a float tank.

The US BMI has skyrocketed over the past 50 years solely because we've gotten a ton fatter. There have also been plenty of corroborating studies that we've also gotten a ton weaker, e.g. studies that look at average grip strength.

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by Ancalagon on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:52AM (#34854911)
Any studies in particular of interest on the strength metrics over time?
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @03:22PM (#34861448)
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/13/4815909...

There are links to the source study in that article.

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by bihla on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:27PM (#34854407)
In case I can save anyone a click, there isn’t a single sentence of that article worth reading.

The author simply fails to understand that BMI is a helpful indicator for population metrics, and contorts into crazy positions to fill out a “top 10” list

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by strken on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:47PM (#34854530)
The very first reason is "1. The person who dreamed up the BMI said explicitly that it could not and should not be used to indicate the level of fatness in an individual.", which is the exact point being made: at a population level BMI is useful.

Additionally, BMI is imprecise, but imprecise doesn't mean useless. If you took a random sample of people with a BMI of 40+ from across the whole population, almost none of them would be near optimal healthy weight; a random sample of 30+, still relatively few. Those few who are healthy at that BMI know it. BMI's maybe not so useful for someone who's hovering around 19 or 28, but at the extreme edges it's very indicative of body fat.

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by Someone1234 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:20PM (#34854354)
CDC's usage of BMI is what it was designed for: To measure populations/as a generalization.

Your retort is something people repeat, because they don't seem to grasp that originally the point of the retort was when people are using BMI to discuss individuals (wrong) rather than populations (correct). This is the correct usage.

But ultimately there's little data supporting the supposition that Americans have so much muscle they're incorrectly categorized via BMI over population level samples, whereas there is plenty of data suggesting that since the 1970s and the subsidization of corn-created sugar, that Americans have gained body fat.

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by swatcoder on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:24PM (#34854383)
I assure you that that the average American male hasn’t been getting increasingly shredded.

BMI may not apply well to you individually, but you can look around and see that there’s a worsening problem that aggregate BMI trends seem to capture.

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by pigsty on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:19PM (#34854346)
If you’re the type of person where BMI is irrelevant, you’ll know. But the average American is not doing 300 lb bench presses, and the average person doing 300 lb bench presses is also aware that BMI is meaningless for their case but a somewhat fair reference for others.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by JesusLovesEwe on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:19PM (#34854347)
You need to go for a walk to do some people-watching if you think there's an epidemic of lean Americans with bulging muscles. Visit a Walmart.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by djtriptych on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:19PM (#34854341)
if you're 5'9" / 200lbs you'd better be a powerlifter to be considered fit.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by paulpauper on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:23PM (#34854374)
not necessarily. some people are stocky but not that fat either. Former high school or college football players would fit the bill, or people who do manual labor.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by User23 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:25PM (#34854386)
Football strength training is basically powerlifting[1].

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7116789-the-strongest-sh...

Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by mensetmanusman on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:26AM (#34854771)
It was also a crap metric 50 years ago, and the metric being consistent is what matters.
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by elromulous on Sunday February 19, 2023 @12:57AM (#34854924)
Is disagreeing with someone a really a reason to downvote them?
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by throwaway128128 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @01:36AM (#34855099)
Lol, your average American is 200 pounds of muscle. Right
Re:The Average American Man Is Too Fat for Universal’s New M... by thiht on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:08AM (#34856106)
That sounds like a South Park joke, « I ain’t fat, I’m athletic »