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Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by xrayarx on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:22PM (#34839070)
No, not impressive. The club is a radio hobby club and the balloon is a radio beacon balloon, which transmits its location and height unencrypted on an open frequency, as do basically all balloons. Except for those from china, apparently.

If they really shot down that balloon, and not a Chinese one, they used a 500,000 rocket started by a 200mm plane to kill a $100 balloon. Spending so much on so little on the other hand is impressive.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by mike_d on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:33PM (#34839240)
> which transmits its location and height unencrypted on an open frequency

Usually once every hour or every other hour for a quick second long burst, otherwise they are powered down and just floating. Pico balloons can't carry more than a few grams and depend on solar panels to charge up a battery enough to transmit.

Also air to air missiles are not magic. They don't have secret decoders for every imaginable protocol to lock on to targets (and assume they aren't lying about their location). They are either slaved from the planes radar, contain their own radar, or use heat signatures to lock on.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by dragontamer on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:01PM (#34840517)
Your overall point stands, but I can see where the original poster seems to be coming from. There are "anti-radiation missiles", which lock into transmitters to blow them up.

IE: The AGM 88 "HARM" missile does this. But these are not used by air-superiority fighters like F22, but instead by "Wild Weasel" fighter jets against ground RADAR targets.

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I think the poster you responded to magically assumed that a AGM-88 would work against a balloon. But that is mistaken: the balloon isn't transmitting enough of a RADAR signature for something like HARM to lock into it.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by LorenPechtel on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:37PM (#34839309)
Sure there's a radio signal, but Sidewinders are heat seekers. While I can believe one went for the electronics package on the Chinese balloon these pico balloons shouldn't have anything more than a bit of solar heating.

Detecting them is probably easy--note the balloon material appears shiny. Probably aluminized mylar, it will show up on radar.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by xrayarx on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:44PM (#34839410)
Of course the rockets are heat seeking. But someone has to give the order. They have sensors, they investigate. They report up the chain of command. I don't even want to know how many people were involved from the moment it was detected to the moment the order was given. 100? 1000? More? And no one bothered. And the US weather service alone starts around 60,000 to 100,000 balloons a year.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by mrguyorama on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:45PM (#34841013)
It doesn't matter how you FIND an object if you can't target it. That's why articles crying that china can track the F22 and F35 are meaningless, because knowing something is in your sky and being able to direct a munition into it are very different things. Pilots who have practiced dogfighting the F35 have expressed surprise at just how close you can be and still be unable to get a good enough radar return from the targeting beam to actually shoot at it.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by 7952 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:34PM (#34839267)
Those cost differences are striking. An adversary could launch thousands very cheaply. I wonder how militaries would react to so many potential targets.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by taylodl on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:40PM (#34839355)
In the worst case, you would react by directly attacking the adversary that launched them. Hopefully by the time things had reached that level you would have had an opportunity to exhaust all diplomatic channels and could have found a more peaceful resolution.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by madaxe_again on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:43PM (#34839395)
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by soylentcola on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:16PM (#34840680)
Perhaps not so well when everyone's a Captain Kirk.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by mrguyorama on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:43PM (#34840991)
Investment would lean back towards gun based AA, like anti-air artillery since the objects are so high. Investments are already going back into that direction as cheap drones like the SHAHED are easily managed affordably by systems like Gepard. It's actually quite fun to see these systems revived.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by Ancapistani on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:28PM (#34842013)
I think laser-based weapons would be more likely, honestly. It should be possible to heat up a balloon enough to melt the envelope without an absurd power supply.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by nirvgorilla on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:31PM (#34839222)
The dollar sign has never gone behind the amount. Why can't these last two generations place the dollar sign in the correct place?

$100. Not 100$.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by Jeremy1026 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:42PM (#34839383)
It's entirely possible they aren't American. Remember, the internet is global.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by nirvgorilla on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:44PM (#34839418)
In the 90s and early 2000s, people, even from other countries, typed it correctly on the internet. I have the EFnet IRC logs right now on my hard drive if you need proof. Hell I'm tempted to make a youtube video just to prove my point.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by netsharc on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:36PM (#34840188)
Here's a foreigner who made the mistake in the 1930's: https://www.britannica.com/event/Lindbergh-baby-kidnapping#/...

I'm amused how mad you got about this. I wish my life was that luxurious that all I can be enraged about is where people put their dollar sign.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by InitialLastName on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:26PM (#34840777)
Yes, nothing convinces people like an angry YouTube rant about how "kids these days" don't appreciate the bad old days of the internet.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by flaviut on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:36PM (#34839293)
There are folks from all around the world online, and many countries place their currency symbol after the amount.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by josephcsible on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:17PM (#34839933)
But the post in question was giving an amount in US dollars, and the US isn't such a country.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by testTED on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:37PM (#34840208)
Habits die hard.

Like thinking people in other countries are kids in your own country.

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by fredophile on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:42PM (#34839379)
In English that's correct but this is a common mistake for ESL people.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by AceyMan on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:38PM (#34839319)
Hmm, I'm a grammar pedant and that one has never bothered me except in formal prose (real journalism, marketing copy, books).

It's spoken that way ("one-hundred dollars") so it's actually kind of intuitive to write it that way, even if it's technically 'wrong.'

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by nirvgorilla on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:40PM (#34839349)
Oh really? Then why don't we say QUESTION MARK or PERIOD verbally for each sentence of you think the $ literally means "dollars?"
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by fragmede on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:44PM (#34839405)
because we have other clues for that. A question is denoted by a raise in tone at the end of the sentence. A period is denoted by a pause.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by newaccount74 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:37PM (#34839306)
Probably people from other countries where currency typically goes behind the number like 100€.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by awad on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:57PM (#34839647)
And yet you still understood what they were saying. It's not that serious.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by lsllc on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:55PM (#34839607)
As a taxpayer, I think the AF using a $100 (or was it $12) balloon for target practice is way better than say the $570K BQM-167 remote drone that they'd normally use!

https://dronedj.com/2021/03/24/the-air-forces-training-drone...

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by zikduruqe on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:30PM (#34840114)
And they usually have radar reflectors on them also.

Such as - https://www.overlookhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/5...

Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by mrguyorama on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:41PM (#34840960)
Missiles are not designed to lock onto voluntary transponders, for hopefully obvious reasons, meaning the AIM-9x in this instance has demonstrated either a very sensitive IR sensor, or a very sensitive radar setup.
Re:Did an F-22 Blow Up an Illinois Club’s Hobby Balloon? by pengaru on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:41PM (#34840964)
I didn't say it was a good use of resources.