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Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by fimdomeio on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:54AM (#34818583)
Not in the US, but I usually see a lot of people saying don't trust the news but it's also not as if they are doing any rational thinking about it. And a lot of the times is just because news are not validating their own beliefs so I think it's even worse than just having bad news.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by dotnet00 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:02AM (#34818696)
I don't think it takes much rational thought to realize that the news are incompetent at worst and intentionally misleading at best.

Even without validating beliefs, there are so many cases of news organizations publishing incorrect or misleading information in a rush to cover a story, only to then issue a silent correction weeks later when the damage has been done.

This weakens trust in two ways, first is just people who pay enough attention to notice the correction and gradually lose trust as they see how often that happens. The other is the more damaging, more common way, where someone has read the incorrect/misleading article and internalized the information only to find out much later that the information they internalized was incorrect (without ever seeing the original correction).

One example that comes to mind is regarding the supposed sudden Starlink outages in Ukraine back in October around when Musk was tweeting dumb stuff about appeasing Russia. CNN was quick to report the outage implying that it was unexpected by Ukraine and they were shutdown to blackmail the West into paying. This article was all over the news.

Then weeks later they put out an article stating that it was just 1300 terminals which were being provided by the UK which were shut-off due to the UK deciding not to pay for the subscription anymore, with Ukraine having been fully aware and having swapped them out beforehand with the other ~18000 still operating terminals. But this one got nowhere near the same traction and was still misleadingly headlined.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by soco on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:28AM (#34819044)
Data set of one, but the people I met claiming they don't trust the news, all take their news from youtube and random taxi drivers. This doesn't say anything about the news outlets, just about those people and their peculiar ways to "think for themselves".
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by pjc50 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:34AM (#34819139)
Indeed. People are replacing mainstream news with something that's often far less accurate.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by registeredcorn on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:50AM (#34819344)
This can only be true if we assume that news is accurate. It simply isn't.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by bryanlarsen on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:04AM (#34819571)
Accuracy isn't a binary.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by registeredcorn on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:26AM (#34819877)
Is that an accurate statement?
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by ben_w on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:35AM (#34820008)
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, depending on the domain.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by goatlover on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:52AM (#34820255)
There's a range between 0% and 100%. Saying news is either would be false. Giving it a percentage would just depend on what news and what situation.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by ifyoubuildit on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:20AM (#34820696)
It might be accurate, but that's not the priority.

Think about it: broadcasting information costs something. Nobody is going to pay that cost unless they're getting a return for it. Nobody is going out of their way to provide you with information out of the goodness of their heart. They're doing it so that you buy what they're selling (e.g. pharmaceuticals, gold) or vote for their party, etc.

A lot of times that information will be technically not wrong, but that's not the goal.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by WaitWaitWha on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:56AM (#34819445)
I have a different take on this.

Unless I am asking the taxi driver about traffic problem in their work area, or rider behavior, or...

We have become citizen journalists. We have to research our own news. I think that is not a bad thing.

I write journalist because if an establishment journalist can get away with single-sourcing something, why can't I?

YouTube is a cesspool of hot garbage, but there is also plenty of good information.

The key part in my opinion is to have the ability to collect, sift, confirm, and then make deduction.

Alas, we no longer teach fundamental thinking skills in schools.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by mistermann on Thursday February 16, 2023 @12:00PM (#34821391)
> Alas, we no longer teach fundamental thinking skills in schools.

Control this and you can control the world.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by nirimda on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:14AM (#34819723)
I think there's a difference between not trusting the news, as in, thinking what they're saying is lies and there's actually a great conspiracy that we can work out, and not trusting the news, as in, thinking that the information that gets conveyed via news outlets is selected and presented to push public opinion in a certain self-interested direction.

I think for the most part, people who take their news from youtube and random taxi drivers fall into the former category, whereas people who vote against the party/candidate recommended (overtly or covertly) by their local paper fall into the latter category. It's quite possible that a lot of people in the latter category would say they don't trust the news as part of a national opinion survey, but they wouldn't ever outright say to a stranger "oh, don't read the stuff printed in the City Courier, it's all lies". Particularly as the news is more and more national, but the political parties continue to attract around 50% of the vote each, I'd generally expect about 50% of the population to have at least this much distrust for at least some of the news.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by SkyBelow on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:29AM (#34819916)
Probably a selection bias at play. The people you meet who don't trust the news for reasonable reasons aren't going to come out and state it that simply because they don't want to be associated with the people who claim they don't trust the news because the have preconceived notions which they trust any source for (even if random taxi driver) and distrust any source against (even in peer reviewed research). They likely even purposefully consume the news, realizing that even as an imperfect information source it is still an information source worth the trade off between extent of imperfect and ease to consume.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by Swizec on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:44AM (#34820123)
Try this experiment: Read old news for a while.

You’ll quickly learn not to trust the news. Not because it’s wrong – it’s pretty factual for the most part – but because it keeps trying to make you care about the wrong things. Whipping up an emotional reaction to matters that don’t affect you. Ignoring large elephants in small rooms. Talking juuuust slightly past the core issue hoping you won’t notice.

Much of news, especially daily news, is like discussing the color of a bike shed instead of the core design problems of the reactor it sits behind. Because talking about the big stuff isn’t sexy and doesn’t get the clicks.

And even when you do find a source of boring news, you’ll find that most of it affects your life not one bit. It’s just entertainment to keep you busy. In the words of a quote I once heard and can never find again: ”The news doesn’t tell you what to think, it tells you what to think about”.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by kneebonian on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:27AM (#34820812)
The quote is from the book Pre-suasion by Robert Caldini, he points out that what we focus on will elevate the importance of whatever is focused on.

This is part of the reason I don't trust the news, because they all are focusing on the same things for a few weeks and then it drops never to be heard from again. Some examples

When Trump met with Kim Jong Un everything in the news media was about North Korea for weeks, it was painted as the vital question of our times that was a clear and present danger to democracy. 3 years into Biden I have barely heard anything about NK.

Another exmaple is oil prices, does anyone else remember during the Bush years how the oil prices dominated everything in the news and the Middle East was the most important region in the world, to the point that we supposedly went to war in Iraq over oil? Yet when it was hitting $5-6 a barrel I wasn't hearing anything about it. Or how many of us have heard anything on Iraq or Syria since ISIS?

You can look for countless examples but even if it isn't outright lying by choosing what to focus on the media already sets an agenda.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by BurningFrog on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:27AM (#34820804)
If a youtube video shows a reality that the news denies or doesn't report, that should make you trust the news less.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by krapp on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:32AM (#34820911)
Why would you believe that a youtube video necessarily shows reality?
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by BurningFrog on Thursday February 16, 2023 @01:09PM (#34822791)
That's a good question, that you should also ask about the news.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by krapp on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:28PM (#34825496)
I do, but I also wouldn't trust Youtube to fact-check the news.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by lesuorac on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:40AM (#34819200)
I would say its hard to do any rational thinking about come to the conclusion that the 24/h news orgs are meant to inform you.

The easy angle is product placement [1]. Literally fork over a small sum of money and you get the news org to rave about your product without doing any verification.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIi_QS1tdFM

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by IIAOPSW on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:20AM (#34819799)
Lawfare blog my dude. They don't shy away from the raw legal source code.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by goalieca on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:02AM (#34818701)
> validating their own beliefs

There can be a huge discrepancy between what your experience is and what is being reported. Most people will tend believe what they see and know.

Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by Workaccount2 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:04AM (#34819577)
I've had the same experience where it seems people who "don't trust the media" get all their news from some random facebook page or a website along the lines of realtruth-nolies-chronicle.blogspot.com.
Re:Half of Americans now believe that news organizations del... by throwaway894345 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:07AM (#34819634)
In the US we used to feel like the news was more trustworthy even if it didn’t support our views because it maintained some pretense of neutrality and objectivity; however, that broke down as the media became increasingly politicized and sensationalized—a lot of people felt that if the media isn’t going to tell THE truth, they would find a media that would tell THEIR truth (hence your bit about “validating their own beliefs”). So we get fragmented and relative epistemology, in large part because the traditional media decided to be activist even if it meant overtly and obviously lying about things that were trivially verifiable. This is why we need to roll back to a media that aspired toward neutrality and objectivity rather than an a la carte model.